This page is a continuation of Initial Situation Page.

Revised Letter of 7-7-2000 and Second Slander

 James claims that the letter he sent to his list,  is an exact copy of the letter sent to me and carbon copied to the Beit Din members, yet there are no headers to verify this. Also, I have posted the original in. Please check these two and you will see that they are different.
 

 Revised e-mail from James Trimm 7-7-2000

Now lets see what has been changed

Original
“Actually [Mrs. H.] claimed three things:

        1.  That I rejected Yeshua

        2.  That I rejected the blood atonement doctrine

        3.  That I advocated the Book of Mormon

All three are lies.”

Revised
“Actually [Mrs. H.] claimed three things:

    1.  That I rejected Yeshua

    2.  That I rejected the blood atonement doctrine

    3.  That I advocated the Book of Mormon

She has also claimed:

    4.  ***

    5.  ***

All are absolute lies.”
 

James tacks on 4 and 5 and changes “All three are lies,” to “All are absolute lies.”

Next James changes the paragraph, following the quote from my e-mail, about why they are being tried.
 

Original
“Actually all of this is false.  The [H's] problem to my knowledge has

NOTHING directly to do with the Book of Mormon.  They were removed from the forums for continually posting off topic material on the Nazarene Forum.  ***

Revised
***

The [H's] problem to my knowledge has NOTHING directly to do with the
Book of Mormon.   I do not believe a "trial" is taking place and it is a

matter being handled by a group of Messianic leaders in Denver to which I

am not even a party.   They were removed from the forums for continually

posting off topic material on the Nazarene Forum.  ***

 

The remainder of the letter is the same.

I have stated before, that the situation mentioned above with the [H's] , is being determined by their rabbi and I am not involved in that. My point is that there are changes to the letter, that he claims is an exact copy. The above quotes prove that he has lied in this matter as well.

Now to address the rest of his letter to his list, that blatantly accuses me of anti-semitism. Before I address each item, I would like to offer to you the final letter to the Beit Din, requesting their intervention in these matters.

 Final Beit Din E-mail

I did not receive one response from the Beit Din members or Friends of the Court. An apology was not issued, nor a retraction of statements. Since my request for an investigation into the sladerous accusations was not done, I am taking this matter to the Assembly of the Believers of YHWH – you.

Anti-semitism rebuttal to slander

James claims:

“One other matter.  This person "purnhrt <purnhrt@flash.net>" or "Kathryn"
knows me well.

Eric will remember her.

Nearly a year ago I was exposing the book CHRISTIANITY UNMASQUED as a VERY anti-semitic book.  A book which even claims that all Jews are the literal
seed of Satan and cannot be saved.  I was exposing the book because it was

written and published by a man who was also the ISR's US rep.  (and ISR is

NOT anti-semitic).  This Kathryn was one of a handful of people to support

the book on various lists that I was exposing it on.  She became very angry

that Dan Israel was removed from ISR as a result of my expose of the book.

She soon attacked SANJ and the Beit Din and began posting material written

by Chris Lingle. This surprised us, since we knew he had no internet access at the time, it seemed clear that she was personal friends with him.   This was not a

surprise.  When Lingle apostasized we had heard that he had returned to his

anti-semitic circles.

For those who do not know Lingle was, I am sad to say a leader with SANJ
early on.

The information she posted by Lingle was packed with lies and easy for Eric
and I to disprove.

In short this woman is NOT the objective source she claims to be.  She is a
hard core anti-semite who believes that those of us that are Jews are

actually unredeemable seed of Satan.  She is in league with anti-semites

like Dan Israel and at least at one time has been in league with Lingle.

Beware of this woman.  She could be capable of ANYTHING.

Eric can back up everything I have just told you.

James Trimm”
 

The information she posted by Lingle was packed with lies and easy for Eric
and I to disprove.

In short this woman is NOT the objective source she claims to be.  She is a
hard core anti-semite who believes that those of us that are Jews are

actually unredeemable seed of Satan.  She is in league with anti-semites

like Dan Israel and at least at one time has been in league with Lingle.

Beware of this woman.  She could be capable of ANYTHING.

Eric can back up everything I have just told you.

James Trimm”

Posts from EliYah’s Forum and links

 Please know, I have no desire to resurrect the misunderstandings of last year. James Trimm has brought them up, casting slander that I am a hard core anti-semite. It is necessary, to prove my innocence in this matter, to bring these posts to your attention.

To verify the posts, you will need to go to EliYah's Forum.
http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/forum/Ultimate.cgi

Or you can read the copy of the entire posts below.

You will need to register with the forum first. To gain access to  the private forum, Echad, which is where EliYah moved these conversations, you need clearance from him. Just e-mail him and he will give it.

EliYah’s e-mail      servant@eliyah.com

Once at the page to enter Echad, you need to check in the upper righthand bar, which says, “Show topics from last ten days.”  Click on the down arrow and choose, “Show all topics.” Then click go. The following subjects are the ones involved.

Unity Conference, A Jewish View , Page 1 and Page 2
Anti-semite "Yahwists" at Elijah's fourm

Echad

Statement

Pete Vacca's original presentation

Pete Vacca's response to accusations

Dan Chaput

FW: Dan Chaput response

Dan Responds (better format)

Pete Vacca and James Trimm Apology

The Chapter 12 of Christianity Unmasqued by Rose is a Rose, is not an accurate typing and does not have the footnotes.

 

On the main forum, you can click on these without a password
http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum1/HTML/001309.html

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum1/HTML/001332.html

 

Unity Conference Page 1

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/forum/forumdisplay.cgi?action=displayprivate&number=6&topic=000004
 

 Unity Conference, Page 2

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/forum/forumdisplay.cgi?action=displayprivate&number=6&topic=000004-2
 

 Echad Forum

http://www.eliyah.com/forum2/Forum1/HTML/001332.html
 

Anti-semite Yahwists at EliYah's Forum

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/forum/forumdisplay.cgi?action=displayprivate&number=6&topic=000001
 
 

I did not post at any of the following posts. I list them so that you can see that Pete Vacca was not deemed an anti-semite, but should have chosen words and terms more carefully. My point was that James should have checked with him, to clear up any misunderstandings, in the first place before he started his smear campaign.

Statement

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/forum/forumdisplay.cgi?action=displayprivate&number=6&topic=000012
 
 

Pete Vacca's Presentation

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/forum/forumdisplay.cgi?action=displayprivate&number=6&topic=000008
 
 

Pete Vacca's Response

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/forum/forumdisplay.cgi?action=displayprivate&number=6&topic=000002
 

 Pete Vacca and James Trimm Apology

http://www.eliyah.com/cgi-bin/forum/forumdisplay.cgi?action=displayprivate&number=6&topic=000013

As to the material posted toward Dan Chaput, I addressed the issues in the other posts. I have never endorsed Dan's book. I read chapter 12, and where I think things could have been worded better, I knew what he was trying to say, was in relationship to Talmud equaling Thorah and Judaism verses The Way. I still have not studied the Lost Tribes issue and I am still not interested. That does not mean that I disagree with it, nor does it mean that I advocate it. I dont take stands on subjects I havent studied.  I personally do not feel that just because my background is Celtic,  that automatically means I am a descendant of one of the Lost Tribes. I'm a Celtic and Germanic mutt, with one Jewish ancestor, several generations back. My lineage does not matter. I was lost, but now I have turned to YHWH and by faith, through the blood of Yahusha`, I am adopted into the Beyth YHWH, grafted into the Olive Tree of Yisrael. I am not a convert to Judaism or any other sect of the Ibriym which I have studied, I am a convert of HaDerek YHWH.

James immediately tried to get Dan removed from his position as US distributor of the ISR Scriptures. I contacted them and let them know of the forum and what was taking place. To my knowledge their has not been a reconciliation between Dan and James. But ISR investigated the situation. Dan is still a distributor of ISR publications.

  ISR                  http://www.isr-messianic.org/

Once at their site, click on ORDERS tab. THen click on DISTRIBUTORS, on the page. A box will open up with the distributors. Scroll down to the US. The  Group 1/USA, from Pawtucket, RI, is Dan Chaput.

As you can see, I never said the statements that James accuses me of. At no time have I ever said that  the Jews are the unredeemable seed of Satan. That is an outright lie.  His pattern of accusation and misquoting is nothing short of unrighteousness. I never attacked SANJ, but I did question the self appointed authority of James Trimm. Did any of you see any material by Chris Lingle that I posted? Nope, because it is not there. I have never posted anything from Chris Lingle. As far as I am aware of, James Trimm is the only one with material from Chris Lingle, posted at his site.

Nothing was clear that I was personal friends with him. I posted that I called him, to ascertain the claims of James, in validating his position as Nasi. As to Chris Lingle sending an e-mail from my computer, as I explained to the Beit DIn, in the final letter to them, he came by to drop some archaeology papers to me on their way to Corpus, and show me his copy of BHS, which we had discussed on the phone . While seeing how AIM worked with a mutual friend, the e-mail from James came in about Chris Lingle. He asked if he could reply directly and I told him yes. I spent most of my time talking with his wife April, while my youngest daughter had a tea party with their two little girls.

I do have proof that I sent a letter to Chris Lingle, stating that I wanted no further communication with him because of his racism, as I stated in the Final letter to the Beit Din.

 Letter to Chris Lingle

As to being kicked off his forum, I never posted to any of his forums or lists. I registered for one, back in 98, and when the first e-mails came in, I saw that there was more fighting going on there than at EliYah's, so I immediately unsubscribed. I was not kicked off and he has no post to show that I was kicked off, since I wasnt. As to the EliYah Forum, I was not kicked off there either. I left because of all the garbage that James was posting and yelling that everyone that disagreed with him was an anti-semite. And I do have proof of that too.

Email to EliYah

Post at EliYah's Forum

Kathryn

 Posts: 171
 Registered: Sep 98
                     posted 08-30-1999 11:35 AM

                  As it is now obvious that this forum is just another extension of James Trimm and his
                  teachings, and since I have, nor will I have any connection with him, or his organization,
                 I will no longer post to a forum that allows and endorses such behavior.

                  TO those of you, who have studied and shared, your understandings of the Hebraic
                  Scriptures, I thank you for your dicussions. Perhaps we will once again, study together
                  on another forum. I bid you shalom, in the blessed Name of Yahuweh.

                  Kathryn
 

As I stated at the beginning, I am appealing to the assembly of YHWH, to judge in this matter. [Mrs. H.] did not slander James Trimm by saying that he was Rabbi Yosef and posted advocating the Book of Mormon. My evidence proves she was correct and the letter from James Trimm admitting that he posted as Rabbi Yosef and other names, confirms that he did so. The copies of the posts from Rabbi Yosef and Steve Cohen prove their content.

As to the slander of myself, I have proven that James lied about the exact copy of his revised letter. He lied about saying that I "claimed" to have received an e-mail from him, admitting that he was Rabbi Yosef and had participated at numerous forums, under various names. He lied about my being kicked off his forum, my posting material from Chris Lingle. He lied about my not being able to post because my old e-mail address was blocked. He lied saying that I supported Dan Chaputs book, Christianity Unmasqued. He lied saying that I attacked SANJ. He lied that I was a hard core anti-semite that believes that the Jews are the unredeemable seed of Satan. He lied that I was in league with anti-semites.