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EliYah
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posted 08-26-1999 10:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EliYah     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Shalom everyone. I wrote Pete Vacca (Elder of Yahweh's Assembly in Messiah, Rocheport MO) the following email:

You probably know this, but James Trimm is making an accusation publically that you are an anti-semite....I would appreciate a response that I could pass on to him and others. In your article for this years conference, you stated:

"I have never read in Scripture where it says anything about what stages the ears should be in. But, that’s typical of the Jews. They never accept what Yahweh says. They always try to make it say something else. If there was an acceptable stage, then I should be able to go to the Scriptures to find it."

and

"I have a problem with just about everything the Jews do. They are steeped in traditions, not truth. Anyone who disagrees with that should talk with a Jew. Find out what he believes in and why. Find out how he keeps the calendar, the Holy Days and anything else scriptural. You will be surprised to find we have very little in common with them. Oh yes, they keep some of the same laws, but which ones, and how do they keep them? Find out for yourself."

Could you please explain the nature of your comments and whether you are being loose with the term "Jew" as referring to the Jews within Mainstream Judaism or "all Jews"?

Thank you,

Tom Martincic
EliYah's Home Page http://www.eliyah.com/

Mr. Vacca responded with the following email:

Dear Brother Tom,

Thank you for asking. I have received all kinds of e-mail, and my phone has been ringing off the hook. Everyone wants to know if I’m aware of the fact that James Trimm and Darrell Whitfield and some others have been slandering me all over the internet as an anti-Semite and Jew hater. I got on and read some of there junk and didn’t think it was even worthy of a response. To date not one of those finger pointing, name callers has taken the time to do what you are doing. ASK WHAT WAS MENT BY MY REMARKS IN THAT STUDY.

James Trimm does not know me, he has never met me, and he knows absolutely nothing about me, he doesn’t even know what I look like. That didn’t stop him from accusing me, bringing me to trial, judging me as guilty, and sentencing me to eradication. All of this because he misunderstood a paragraph that was in a study I presented. Maybe these people feel they are not capable of misunderstanding or making a mistake, maybe that’s why they slandered me. (Someone needs to preach all these young boys a sermon on the Spirit of Messiah. They could also talk to them a little about respecting their elders.)

Brother Tom I was sure when I said they are Talmud Jews and not Torah Jews that they would understand what direction that statement was pointed at, but they either missed it or they are just out to cause a problem where one does not exist. In either case, why didn’t they ask instead of assume.

Yes I am referring to the religion of Judaism. I do not hate people. I do hate false religions that teach against Yahweh. I don’t hate Christians. Most of my family and many of my friends are Christian. But I have no use for Christianity because it is a false religion just like Judaism. I wasn’t referring to a people, but to a false teaching. (Torah vs. Talmud)

Good grief Tom I personally identify with Israel. I believe that I am an Israelite. Not a Spiritual Israelite, but a literal Israelite. I honestly believe that my Italian ancestors were of Israel. I don’t know which tribe it was.

But it was one of those lost ten tribes I’m sure. Does it make any sense for me to hate what I proclaim to be. You see, that’s what comes from judging someone that you don’t know.

A very dear friend of mine back east got a big chuckle out of all of this garbage there spreading about me. His response was: is Pete Vacca opinionated, definitely; is Pete hard headed, some times; is Pete Anti-Semitic, NEVER. Please notice that I said a very dear friend. He is a Yahwist, and oh yes, his Hebrew name is Eliezer bin Yamin Ha Kahn. That is; Eliezer son of Yamin the Priest. If you haven’t guessed by now he’s very Jewish, and I don’t hate him. I love him like a brother because he is one.

He gave me some good advice also. He said next time Pete just say Rabbinical Judaism, that way they won’t be able to condemn you without also condemning Yahshua. (Matt. Ch. 15, and Ch. 23) He didn’t seem to like them to much either.

My feelings if anyone would have had the initiative to ask me, can be summed up in 1John 4:1-3. Believe not every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are of YAHWEH. There are many false prophets out in the world. If they are of the Spirit of Yahweh they will confess that Yahshua has come in the flesh. If they do not they are not of Yahweh, but the spirit of the Anti-Messiah.

I don’t think I need to go on, I believe you know where I’m going. I happen to love my Savior Yahshua very very much. And I have a hard time with anyone or anything that can’t show Him the love and respect He deserves.

Tom some of my good friends are Jewish. I don’t hate them any more than I would my own Mom and Dad who were Catholic Christians. It’s almost absurd when you think about it isn’t it.

I think these individuals are making a mockery out of a Unity Conference that some of us have work hard these past 15 years or more to try to unite the Body of Messiah. It’s unbelievable how a few on the internet in a couple of weeks can almost destroy what many have worked on for years trying to build up and strengthen.

Thanks again for taking the time to ask Brother Tom. I would appreciate it if you would post this on your page so others that don’t know me won’t think I hate people. I hate no people, but I’m a terror on false teachings.

Shalom in Messiah Yahshua’s love
Brother Pete Vacca, Rocheport, Mo.

The purpose of this post to allow Pete the chance to defend himself publically. This situation could very easily get out of hand with people choosing sides, etc. This is truly outside the purpose for this forum. I hope that if there are any further posts on this issue (something I would discourage), that they would be civil and scriptural in nature.

I will (Yahweh willing) post my own opinion of the situation.

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With love in His service,

EliYah

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James Trimm
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posted 08-26-1999 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Trimm     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
>Dear Brother Tom,
>
>Thank you for asking. I have received all kinds of e-mail, and my phone
>has
>been ringing off the hook. Everyone wants to know if I’m aware of the
>fact
>that James Trimm and Darrell Whitfield and some others have been
>slandering
>me all over the internet as an anti-Semite and Jew hater.

I don't know what they said but the sum total of my exact statement about
Pete was:

Saturday morning a paper was presented which had
been written by Pete Vacca of Rocheport, MO which
was very anti-Semitic. I quote from the paper:

"...But that's typical of the Jews. They never accept what
Yahweh says. They always try to make it say something
else... I have a problem with just about everything the Jews
do. Today's Jews are Talmud Jews and not Torah Jews.
They are steeped in traditions, not truth."

These statements were very anti-semitic. I said so publicly at the time
that the paper was presented and I have said so ever since.
Lets break it down:

"...But that's typical of the Jews."

"Typical" Note how my people are sterotyped.

They never accept what Yahweh says.
They always try to make it say something
else...

Note the usage of "never" and "always"

I have a problem with just about everything the Jews
do.

This is an odd statement to make. As a Yahwist Pete's religious practices (eating kosher, observing Sabbath, observing biblical festivals) are more closely akin to Jewish customs than gentile customs. Why, aside from the anti-semitic attitude throughout these statements would he say that?

Today's Jews are Talmud Jews and not Torah Jews.

As if "Talmud Jews" reject the Torah (they do not). They may disagree with Pete, and even myself in how to interpret Torah, but they do not reject it. Moreover the statement ignores Karite Judaism, Messianic Judaism and Nazarene Judaism

They are steeped in traditions, not truth."

again an negative broad characterization of Jews.

>I got on and
>read
>some of there junk and didn’t think it was even worthy of a response.

Obviously Pete thinks that it is ok to say that Jews ALWAYS reject what Yahweh says and NEVER listen to him and that this is TYPICAL of the Jews.

>To
>date not one of those finger pointing, name callers has taken the time to
>do
>what you are doing. ASK WHAT WAS MENT BY MY REMARKS IN THAT STUDY.

I can read english and I know what anti-semitic remarks mean.


>
>James Trimm does not know me, he has never met me, and he knows
>absolutely
>nothing about me, he doesn’t even know what I look like. That didn’t stop
>him from accusing me, bringing me to trial, judging me as guilty,

Which did not stop Pete from speaking of what was "typical" of my people and that my people "always" reject what Yahweh says and "never" accept it.

>and
>sentencing me to eradication. All of this because he misunderstood a
>paragraph that was in a study I presented. Maybe these people feel they
>are
>not capable of misunderstanding or making a mistake, maybe that’s why
>they
>slandered me.

Again no slander was done... Pete was quoted word for word. I understood perfectly. Your usage of the words "always" "never" and "typical" made it very clear.

>(Som
>Brother Tom I was sure when I said they are Talmud Jews and not Torah
>Jews
>that they would understand what direction that statement was pointed at,

That statement was not until page two well AFTER he said what was "typical" of my people and what we always and never do on page one.

>but
>they either missed it or they are just out to cause a problem where one
>does
>not exist. In either case, why didn’t they ask instead of assume.

Being Jewish let me tell you plainly that your statementswere offensive to Jewish Yahwists.

>
>Yes I am referring to the religion of Judaism. I do not hate people. I do
>hate false religions that teach against Yahweh. I don’t hate Christians.
>Most of my family and many of my friends are Christian. But I have no use
>for Christianity because it is a false religion just like Judaism. I
>wasn’t
>referring to a people, but to a false teaching. (Torah vs. Talmud)

Then he should not have spoken of what was "typical" of Jews he should have spoke of what istypical of the Talmud.

>
>Good grief Tom I personally identify with Israel.

Irrelevant... so do Nazis and the KKK that does not have anything to do with it.

>I believe that I am an
>Israelite. Not a Spiritual Israelite, but a literal Israelite. I honestly
>believe that my Italian ancestors were of Israel. I don’t know which
>tribe
>it was.
>But it was one of those lost ten tribes I’m sure. Does it make any sense
>for
>me to hate what I proclaim to be.

Does Dan claim to be a Jew?

>You see, that’s what comes from judging
>someone that you don’t know.
>A very dear friend of mine back east got a big chuckle out of all of this
>garbage there spreading about me. His response was: is Pete Vacca
>opinionated, definitely; is Pete hard headed, some times; is Pete
>Anti-Semitic, NEVER. Please notice that I said a very dear friend. He is
>a
>Yahwist, and oh yes, his Hebrew name is Eliezer bin Yamin Ha Kahn. That
>is;
>Eliezer son of Yamin the Priest. If you haven’t guessed by now he’s very
>Jewish, and I don’t hate him. I love him like a brother because he is
>one.
>

Did you tell him that you said that it was typical of us Jews to ALWAYS reject what Yahweh says and NEVER accept it.

>He gave me some good advice also. He said next time Pete just say
>Rabbinical
>Judaism, that way they won’t be able to condemn you without also
>condemning
>Yahshua. (Matt. Ch. 15, and Ch. 23) He didn’t seem to like them to much
>either.

Wise advice Dan. I wish you had done that.
>
>I think these individuals are making a mockery out of a Unity Conference
>that some of us have work hard these past 15 years or more to try to
>unite
>the Body of Messiah. It’s unbelievable how a few on the internet in a
>couple
>of weeks can almost destroy what many have worked on for years trying to
>build up and strengthen.

You cannot have unity while making such offensive statements about Jews.
Jewish Yahwism (Nazarene Judaism) had grown by 2,000% in the past year.
There are now some 6,000 of us with about 50 congregations in five counties.
We may well be the single largest unified group of Yahwists. You cannot
scream "unity" while alienating the single largest group of Yahwists.

I might add that I got along very well with many of the Ephraimite Yahwists
but there were some anti-semites who told me the holocaust never happened (my grand-mother in law is a holocaust survivor) that we Jews are committing a holocaust on the Palestenians, that we are not the true Jews. Another man Dan Chaput was distributing a book claiming that we Jews are are the literal seed of Satan and not son's of Adam at all.

Pete:

If you could admit that the statments in your paper came out anti-Semitic but were not intended to come out that way and correct them then I think we could have unity.

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Lee
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posted 08-27-1999 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lee     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hello Pete,
I've never met you nor do I know anything of you except what I've read here. You didn't deny the comments above, so I'll assume they're true. They definitely fit the definition of being anti-Semitic. Maybe you didn't intend it that way, I hope you didn't.

Do Jews have some things wrong? You bet! Does Christianity have some things wrong? No doubt about it! Does you and me have some things wrong? I'm sure we do! Let's work together and support and strenghten one another.

I'm a retired Army Sergeant, non Jewish, and I took offence at the way your words came across. From what I've read James didn't attack you personally, only what you wrote.

If you didn't mean it the way it looks an apology and explaination of what you meant may be in order just to patch things up and repair any damage done.

Christian regards

Lee Davis

with Christian Leadership Academy

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James Trimm
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posted 08-27-1999 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Trimm     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
FRWARDED WITH PERMISION:

>From: Seekutruth@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:17:11 EDT
>Subject: Nice Meeting you at the Unity Conference, James!
>To: jstrimm@swbell.net
>X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214
>
>Shalom, James!
> This is Larry Acheson, and we met at the Unity Conference. I am not sure
>if you remember who I am or not. I am from Plano, TX, which as I'm sure you
>know, is not all that far from Hurst!
> Your report on the Unity Conference was forwarded my way by Darrell
>Whitfield, and I would just like to very briefly state that your comments are
>quite accurate. You were very quick to point out anti-Semitic comments and
>insinuations of the same. This needs to be done at every possible
>opportunity. Instead, I was content to just sit back and allow you to be the
>"lone dissenter." I hope you can forgive me for not even making the least
>attempt to let you know that I was on your side. I was indeed rooting for
>you the whole time, but DUH! You would never have known it. For all you
>knew, I was opposed to your position. I do not like for people to guess
>where I stand, so if I would have had any horse sense I would have stood up
>to make SOME type of supportive remark instead of just sitting there like a
>bump on a log.
> I also had no problem with your wearing the kippah, especially given the
>gentle, yet humorous manner in which you explained yourself. I personally do
>not desire to wear the kippah, but do not believe that Yahweh is opposed to
>any male who chooses to wear one. In fact, I admire you for "daring to be
>different."
>
><>
>
>Although I was not a part of the hosting organization, I know that I myself
>did nothing to discourage the obvious Anti-Semitism as pointed out in the
>presentation regarding the tekufah. Please forgive me for not lifting a
>finger (or my voice) to join in your protest.
>
>You and I seem to have one thing in common that no one else there had, by the
>way. I think we both believe that the Messiah's name was "Yeshua" instead of
>"Yahushua." Am I correct in extrapolating this from a comment you made
>during your presentation? I am very interested in learning your logic on
>this issue.
>
>Well, it is now bedtime, so good night! Erev tov!
>In the love of Yahweh through Yeshua,
>Larry Acheson
>
>

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James Trimm
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posted 08-27-1999 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Trimm     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
FORARDED WITH PERMISION:

Dear Brother Pete,

You have to remember some of us were there. We know you were very
anti semitic in your remarks per Brother Burgess. I could dig through my
papers and type it in word for word. The topic you spoke on could have
been presented with out the anti-semite remarks. I don't think any
responce but an apology would be in order. Ther is no self righteousness
involved just repentance needed on your part.

I am unable to recieve attachments, so if you want to put it in
e-mail format I will be glad to pass it on as is to all which got the
very truthful report of your anti-semite remarks .

By the way James Trimm happens to agree with you on your method of
figuring the feast for this year you both will be keeping the same dates.
James would be glad to recieve your responce since he was there too, at:
jstrimm@swbell.net He can pass it on to me since he can recieve
attachments I'm sure.

In the name of Adonai Yahushua ha Mashiah, Darrell K. Whitfield

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James Trimm
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posted 08-27-1999 09:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Trimm     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
FROM Darrell K. Whitfield :

Dear Elder Pete Vacca,

You wrote:
"My feelings if anyone would have had the initiative to ask me, can be
summed
up in 1John 4:1-3. Believe not every spirit, but test the spirits to see
if
they are of YAHWEH. There are many false prophets out in the world. If
they
are of the Spirit of Yahweh they will confess that Yahshua has come in
the
flesh. If they do not they are not of Yahweh, but the spirit of the
Anti-Messiah.

I don’t think I need to go on, I believe you know where I’m going. I
happen
to love my Savior Yahshua very very much. And I have a hard time with
anyone
or anything that can’t show Him the love and respect He deserves."

Are you questioning my love for Yahushua? I didn't quite understand what
would motivate this comment. Both James Trimm and I have given our lives
to Yahushua and love him dearly, so I didn't quite understand your
comment. No I don't quite understand where you were going. Please explain
it to me.

My son David, a Pentecostal Christian, once ask me: Is Jesus the Son
of God or is Jesus God? (Of course knowing the Sacred Name as I do I
wouldn't have used these terms). I answered " Both are true, Yahushua is
the Son of Yahueh after the flesh, and Yahueh Himself after the Spirit,
because the Father is in the Son that the Father which is Spirit created"
So yes, I believe Yahushua is the Son of Yahueh in whom Yahueh saw fit
to dwell in all the fullness of Eloah bodily. I love Him very much and
give Him the utmost and Highest respect and reverent worship that is His
due alone. As the Truth I seek to honor Him by spreading the truth
everywhere I go.

In the Love and reverence to Yahushua our Adon and Saviour,

Darrell K.
Whitfield

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Ben-Yitshaq
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posted 08-27-1999 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ben-Yitshaq     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Shabbat Shalom Elder Pete,

I read your comments, with an open mind Brother Pete... and in all fairness, Brother, your words were seeming, very anti-Semitic.
I read your attempt at a retraction, and must say Brother, I think that you can do better than that. We must take resposibility for our actions, and acknowledge when we are in error...without a show of pride, by an attempt at shifting attention, by such things as accusations of slander, etc...

A public apology for a misuse of terms, is in order dont you think?
I am not asking you to apologize for being anti-Semitic, simply because I do not think that you are. You said that you are not, and I believe you Brother. I just ask you to apologize for your lack of definition of terms, and that you are sorry that what you wrote came across as anti-Semitism.

May the work of your hands be Blessed

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Peace and Harmony
Daviyd Ben Yitshaq

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