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James Trimm Member Posts: 339 |
posted 08-12-1999 12:12 PM
All, Well I am about to hit the road for home and should be there in a couple of days. I thought I would first post my own thoughts on the Unity conference. This conference was truely a mixed bag from a Nazarene/Jewish perspective. Saturday morning a paper was presented which had been written by Pete Vacca of Rocheport, MO which was very anti-Semitic. I quoted from the paper: "...But that's typical of the Jews. They never accept what Yahweh says. The next day Dan Chaput of RI who is thre US distributor for the Scripture Research Association South African Sacred Name Bible presented a paper on economics and followed this by promoting from the poteum his book CHRISTIANITY UNMASKED which was written under the name "Dan Israel". Chapter 12 of this book is his anti-semitic slam on the "Jewishness of Yashua" movement. The book indicates that this movement is a "manipulation and deception" and that todays Jews are the synagogue of Satan claiming to be Jews when we are not. the chapter is filled with the most vile of anti-semitic propaganda rehashed including a Talmud passage taken out of context so as to imply that Jews advocate sodomizing young children under the age of nine. Several times during the confernce I was confronted to the side by anti-semites giving me a hard time. I returned to learn that another anti-Semite has burst into a Jewish day care center whith an automatic firearm spraying gunfire. The gunman said it was a wakeup call to the country to start killing Jews. I must add that the hosting organization did not seem to be in the anti-Semite camp but did not do enough to discourage this either. OK now the good side. I was allowed to wear my kippah when speaking which I had been warned had not been allowed in the past. Also my message about Jewish roots was well received. I quoted Ezkl 37:15-19; Rom. 11:16-26 and Zech. 8:23 to demonstrate that the reunion of the two houses will involve Ephraim turning to and coming over to Judah. Although it was reportred to me that one person got up, mutterred "I don't have to sit here and listen to this" and left, overall it was well received and I was not hammered by anti-Semites when I opened for questions. Overall it seemed to me that there were two factions there. An anti-Semite group, a "Jewish Roots" group and another group who seemed unaware that the issue existed. I recommend for future events that the motto be "The only thing we won't tolerate is intolerance" Also I thank Samuel Graham for permitting me time to speak and for the meals and for putting me up in the guest house. I made a lot of new friends and there were a lot of non-anti-Semites there. While I am all for Unity there can be NO PLACE WHATSOEVER for anti-Semitism in Ephraimite Yahwism if they are to take hold (Zech. 8:23) and be joined to Judah/Nazarene Judaism (Ezkl 37:15-19)and be fed by the root (Rom. 11:16-26). There is NO PLACE for boasting against the natural branches in this olive tree. I would call upon Ephraimite Yahwists to eradicate Anti-Semites like Dan Chaput/"Israel" and Pete Vacca from their midst if they desire true reconciliation. I propose a joint conference between Nazarenes and Ephraimite Yahwists with alternating speakers and lost of fellowship time as a stepping stone to reunion. I am thinking about having it in Denver this winter. James Trimm IP: Logged |
shlameal Member Posts: 270 |
posted 08-12-1999 04:20 PM
Are you sure you don't wanna say "anti-semitic" just one more time? It didn't evoke enough emotion in me, please once more for the record. [i]shlameal[ite]. IP: Logged |
Mikha'el Junior Member Posts: 1 |
posted 08-12-1999 06:18 PM
How about Kahane Chai? Does that envoke a little more emotion? Remember - NEVER AGAIN. ------------------ IP: Logged |
shlameal Member Posts: 270 |
posted 08-13-1999 05:52 AM
Mikha'el, You said: NEVER AGAIN. I am not for forgetting anyones tragedy, only that we remember them in a more encompassing perspective. [i]shlameal[ite]. IP: Logged |
Kathryn Member Posts: 174 |
posted 08-17-1999 09:25 PM
I would like to post a rebuttal to James Trimm's slanderous accusations, against Pete Vacca and Dan Chaput. First off, Pete Vacca was not even there at the conference. He sent his speech, with another member of the Assembly, since he could not be there. Therefore, the paper was read, exactly as it was written and Pete could not explain, defend or correct any misconceptions, that listeners might have had. Second, the the paper was on green ears verses the equinox, to determine the month of Abib. Pete Vacca's contention was with the Karaites determing of the month of Abib, in the manner they did this year. I am getting a copy of this paper, and any one who wants to know exactly what was read, can find out. Not quotes taken out of context, without questioning the author. Which brings me to my third point, concerning James's slander of Pete. Pete told me that James Trimm and He have never even met. James is making comments about a man, on public forums and over listservers, when he does not even know him personally. Concerning
Dan, and the book Christianity Unmasked, again, Dan was not approached
by James to clarify or question anything. They also have not met or
spoken to each other. Both of these men stated that James did not contact them to talk with them before he publicly spread his slander. Both stated that he never came to them, as a brother in Yahuweh, about this matter. He went against Torah and slandered them. Both of these men are Torah observant. THey follow True Torah. They walk in the ways of Yahuweh. They do make a distinction between that which is Torah of Yahuweh and that which is Talmud and Tradition of Judaism. They follow what is in Scripture. THis does not make them anti-semetic; anti- mens traditions, maybe, but not anti-semetic. What I would like to know James, is why, having come from a unity conference, you sought to divide the Yhwhistic community in this fashion, by slandering men you have not even spoken to, on these matters? IP: Logged |
James Trimm Member Posts: 339 |
posted 08-17-1999 09:58 PM
Both Dan Chaput and Pete Vacca published their anti-Semitic statements. Pete's statements were exposed at the conference. In both cases there is NO OBLIGATION on my part to deal privately in rebutting PUBLISHED material. I did not misunderstand Pete in fact I quoted from his paper verbatim. As for Dan I will expose his material more in depth in a new spin-ff topic. James Trimm IP: Logged |
James Trimm Member Posts: 339 |
posted 08-17-1999 10:07 PM
With their permision I am posting this from the publishers of the ISR South African Scriptures: From: "Wilhelm Wolfaardt" Dear James Thank you for this information. I wish to affirm on behalf of INSTITUTE FOR Wilhelm Wolfaardt ----- Original Message -----
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Perdieu/Kinney Member Posts: 60 |
posted 08-19-1999 05:02 PM
Well well! did you folks know that Sept. 5-6 MIA is having there first international get together in Florida and the Messianic Jews are meeting and the Nazarenes are meeting. The Ephraimite Yahwist are talking and plain ole Judaism is now running across the Earth just like the Christians were/are doing. Do I have to give a list of churches ? take a look in the yellow pages of any phone book anywhere in the world and you will see many. I've said all that to say that here in America we have some 165 million people with a religion of their own. How many is that? Well, HE SAID THAT I WILL BUILD ONE HOUSE HALLELU YAH !!! IP: Logged |
James Trimm Member Posts: 339 |
posted 08-20-1999 12:39 AM
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Wilhelm Wolfaardt Junior Member Posts: 1 |
posted 08-20-1999 03:52 AM
ANTI-SEMITISM FORUM: I write on behalf of the Institute for Scripture Research, which has been implicated due to the relationship between the ISR and Daniel Chaput. Dan Chaput is the USA distributor of the ISR’s publications. He does not receive any remuneration for the work he is doing however. He is doing the work as a free-will offering. The ISR is a South African Section 21 company, registered with the government as a non-profit organization. The ISR consist of a number of board directors, a chairman and secretary. According to the constitution of the Section 21 company, we have to give notice to all directors in writing if we wish to convey a meeting. For this reason it will take us at least 2 weeks before we can discuss and make any decisions regarding Dan Chaput’s involvement with the ISR. We ask that you all be patient regarding this delicate but also serious matter. It is only fair that we consider all the options and accusations laid before us. I trust that all the correspondence that went around because of Dan Chaput will not influence your good and fair judgement regarding the integrity of the Institute for Scripture Research. Our aims and goals are to bring the unadulterated Word of Yahuweh to the whole world. Sincerely Wilhelm Wolfaardt IP: Logged |
Mattityahu Member Posts: 298 |
posted 08-20-1999 09:32 PM
What's an Ephraimite Yahwist? Is is a gentile believer? Shalom, IP: Logged |
Kathryn Member Posts: 174 |
posted 08-22-1999 07:48 PM
James, I have some questions I would like you to answer please. How do you define anti-semitism? How do you define Jew? Under whose authority are you and what accountability do you have? Under what standards are the believers in Yahuweh and Yahusha' HaMashiach, united and who do you consider outside that fellowship? What do you consider the stick of Yahudah and What the stick of Ephrayim? What do you consider the joining of these two? These questions would help to explain your actions against Daniel Chaput and Pete Vacca. Shalom, Kathryn IP: Logged |
James Trimm Member Posts: 339 |
posted 08-24-1999 12:44 AM
>James, I have some questions I would like >you to answer please. How do you define >anti-semitism? According to Webster's Dictionary: >How do you define Jew? Webster's Dictionary states: JEW (Personally I woukld also add that this person would be of the House of Judah in this case) >Under whose authority are you and what I am under the authority of the International Nazarene Beit-Din. >Under what standards are the believers in Well right off Anti-semitsism can NOT be tolerated in the name of unity since by its nature it de-unifies Ephraim and Judah. >What do you consider the stick of Yahudah The Stick of Judah is I think "The House of Judah" while the Stick of Ephraim is "House of Israel/Joseph/Ephraim" >What do you consider the joining of The two houses in unity. >These questions would help to explain IP: Logged |
Kathryn Member Posts: 174 |
posted 08-24-1999 11:10 PM
James, I didn't ask what Websters defined anti-semitism as or who a Jew ws, I asked how you defined them. You say that you are under the authority of the International Nazarene Beit Din. Who founded this group and what role do you have in it? What does this group advocate? Let me get this straight. So you are saying, according to your Websters definition, that anyone who speaks against Judaism or a Jew, is being anti-semetic and de-unifies Ephrayim and Yahudah? Is that correct? And this determines that they are outside the fellowship of Yahuweh and Yahusha'? Who is of the House of Yahudah and who is of the House of Ephrayim? Shalom, Kathryn IP: Logged |
James Trimm Member Posts: 339 |
posted 08-25-1999 02:07 AM
Kathryn said: >James, I didn't ask what Websters defined I speak english. If you do not understand the english words I use then I recomend a good english dictionary to help you learn the language. Webster's is regarded as the most accurate. > You say that you are The beit-din was first founded by three Torah-observant men. I was one of them. It has since grown to nine (see http://www.nazarene.net/beitdin ) I serve as >What does this group advocate? Torah and Messiah > Let me get this No not my Webster's definition. Mine does not have any unique readings in it. All Webster's dictionaries should read the same. > that anyone who speaks No that is NOT what Webster's says. Webster's says: 1. having or showing prejudice against jews >and de-unifies Ephrayim and Yahudah? No. Not only did you get the basic definition wrong but Webster's says nothing about deunification of the two houses. That is what I said. >And this > determines that they are That is NOT what I said. (although it would almost certainly be tru that an anti-semite would not be in fellowship with Yahweh, Yeshua, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, himself being a Jew) > Who is of the House of >Yahudah In the largest sense all Jews. In the more defined sense Jewish followers of Yahweh. >and who is of the House of Ephrayim? In the largest sense all Ephraimites. In the more defined sense Ephraimite followers of Yahweh. For example AoY in Michigan. James Trimm IP: Logged |
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