Subject: Re: head of beit din
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:09:07 -0500
From: purnhrt <email@example.com>
To: Michael Detwiler <firstname.lastname@example.org>
Michael, since you do not know me, I will explain to you that I need no oath for my words to be true.
THose that know me, know that my word is my word. I dont lie. But if it will make you feel more
shalom, I will tell you that before the eyes of YHWH, with Him as my witness, all the following are true
and honest answers.
Yes, I have been in e-mail and phone communication with
the H's, since I first found
the DNS evidence and e-mailed them that I had proof. THey sent an e-mail, not knowing who I was or if
they could trust me and said to call.
Subject: Re: proof
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:16:29 EDT
This is Mr. H, Mrs H's husband. You can call us anytime
to discuss this.
I have called or written to ask questions or get clarification
of other questions I had concerning posts and
accusations, which you wrote me of and James wrote of. I have also been in contact with their Rabbi,
asking some of the same questions. I have been going through the posts at the forum, from aug. to jan. to
see exactly what was going on, as to the charges brought against them.
They are not seeking help from me. I wrote to them that
I had proof that James Trimm was Rabbi Yosef. I
sent them a copy of the poist that I sent to the forum. It was the Hawkins that informed me that the Rabbi
Yosef that Mikhael Calpino referred to, was not the same as all the other Rabbi Yosef posts. So I posted
the apology and correction. The only thing that they asked help from me was, to send the information to
their Rabbi, because a meeting was to be held that week. So I sent it to Perry. Then when James wrote
and said that I was a hardcore anti-semite, I called Perry to explain what was going on and offered him all
the information that I had, not only of the Rabbi Yosef and Steve Cohen posts, but of those dealing with
proving that I was not an anti-semite.
Mr. and Mrs. H never asked me to do anything about James
Trimm or the forum or the
website. In fact, Mrs. H has been upfront with me and told me that she did not agree with a web site
being put up. Here is her email on it as well.
Subject: Web Site
Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:10:49 EDT
I think enough has been done. I am really feeling
pain connected with this site.And, I would like you to
strongly consider removing it - or removing my stuff. It is too much for me. I'm breaking/cracking.
I don't know what this means, but I'm feeling the pain for Israel.
I have spoken with Mr. Hand he did give his permission for
me to post the information that I did. He is
believeg that this is the Hand of YHWH, bringing truth to light, in this matter. I have never hidden any of
this information, nor do I have need to lie about it.
What I did initially, in finding the evidence, was because
I was prompted by a plea from a woman that
sounded genuine. My evidence proved this to be true and then James wrote admitting that he had posted
as Rabbi Yosef and other names at various forums. My curiosity grew, when I saw that James deleted the
archives of the other forums. That made me think that he was hiding something more serious than just
who he was. So I started checking into posts and found the substance of the aliases, as well as another
alias on the nazaren forum - Steve Cohen.
After posting all this info, and receiving your e-mail,
stating charges against Mrs. H, offering proof, then
the post from James stating charges against her, I started checking into this as well. Others began writing
saying that they had seen my site and I was correct and was owed an apology and a retraction. THey also
asked about the situation with the H's, questioning the same things I was beginning to question,
that if James lied in the situation with me and the initial one with Mrs. H, then could he be lying about
the other charges. That is why I spent time at the forum checking into all this. No one has asked me to do
this, I have done it to find the truth, as I feel directed by YHWH.
I dont see these as separate, but connected. My initial
involvement was to point to the truth of a false
accusation against Mrs. H, that James Trimm did post as Rabbi Yosef. THe second, that as Rabbi
Yosef, he did advocate the BoM. At that point, James began lying about me to discredit me and thereby
discredit the evidence or make a distraction to a more volatile subject - anti-semitism. THe accusations to
me are not just specifically to me, but are a repeated pattern of James Trimms character. The first time
James accused me of being an anti-semite, was when I questioned his behavior in smearing two men, not
having had the decency to call or write them as a brother in YHWH, to see if there were
misunderstandings first. He said he didnt have to. So on two occasions when I have confronted him about
his behavior, he turns to attack, rather than repent. Michael, they are not separate, but rather connected.
THe Morman that was quoted is Greg Gnauman of Independence,
MO. I first met him when I called
the H's the first time. The Gnaumans had gone over to meet the H's. Greg and
Mr. H were both on the phone with me, when I explained my evidence and the post I had sent the forum.
Greg was a participant at the bom forums that James Trimm deleted. He also told me that he met Avi ben
Mordecai at a church in Mo. He went up to him and gave him a copy of the BoM. Then he said that he
heard Avi on his Torah talk one evening and Avi was asking James Trimm about the BoM. James is
answering, when his wife has a seizure and James has to get off. When Greg got back home from CO, he
"Subject: Re: [Fwd: Beit Din]
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 00:03:05 EDT
I cant believe this email you sent me from James about Mrs. H. This is really sad. I too know rabbi yosef
is James trimm independent of the H's. Send me your phone number and I will try to call you
tomorrow to see if you still need emails.
When Greg found out that I was putting all this information
on a website, he was upset and called or
wrote James Trimm the evening that I was publishing the pages and had written all the e-mails. Greg did
not want James torn down in all this because he wanted the info that James had on the jewishness of the
BoM. Within 10 minutes, I get an e-mail from James mentioning reconciliation. THis was not true shalom.
"I do not have anything against you personally. Do you have something against me?
Maybe there are some misunderstandings that we could clear up."
What on earth does he mean its not personal? You dont call
someone a hardcore anti-semite, a liar, a
slander, etc. and not have it be personal, unless of course it was business, as I speculated, the business of
covering his butt. THere were no misunderstandings at all. He made himself quite clear. THe same
evening, he send me an e-mail about lashon hara, that you originally posted at the forum. He not once
apologized for anything. There can be no shalom without an apology and retraction.
I knew the information got to James via Greg and had not
written to him since. Then he writes on the 20th
and says that he is going to call the next night.
"Subject: Re: call
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:15:29 EDT
In a message dated 07/21/2000 7:33:04 PM Central Daylight
<< Greg, I would prefer that you not call. If you
have somethig to say or ask, you may e-mail. I want
anything said, to be documented, so that my words are not twisted and distorted. Shalom, Kathryn >>
Why would you say this. I would not be calling about James
trimm. I just want to talk some more about
the books you suggested and other things pertaining to the Jews but if that is your wish thats fine.
The following e-mail between us.
Subject: Re: call
Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 23:14:47 EDT
In a message dated 07/22/2000 1:28:16 AM Central Daylight
<< Shalom b'YHWH
Greg, I am fully aware of your involvement with James, including your communication to him letting
him know that I was putting a site up that night. He wrote me. So since I was aware of your involvement,
I was letting you know that I wanted your communication through e-mail, so that nothing I say can be
taken out of context, which James has a habit of doing.
There have been a couple people who have written,
claiming to want further info, to check into this
situation, when in reality they are looking for info for James or Steve. YHWH is revealing much. This
goes deeper and is worse than what was originally dealt with. >>
Well just to say to you I am not one of those people. James
started calling me after my name was brought
up after I talked to you and went to synagogue with the H's. Mrs. H did say to me that you
seemed to allude to the fact that I was sort of spying I guess for him and that is simply not true. My only
desire is to find truth in the Jewishness of the scriptures and you and James are two of the people that I
feel the Lord led me to, as well as Avi. It is much easier to talk on the phone for a number of hours than to
write email all day, but if that is your wish until this blows over that is fine. All the conversations with
James has pretty much been him talking about you and Mrs. H. The last time he called a few days ago he
talked about your quotes that were supposedly anti Semitic. That night after I got off the phone I looked
at your web site and found that those statements were not anti
Semitic but seemed to be anti Jewish TRADITION.
Are you calling me an anti-Semite "Yahwist" James? And who
lumped into your classification, just because they don't agree with you. You seem to be quick to accuse
and label people.
I am not anti-semetic. I believe in Yahuweh and the
Mashiach that He sent to redeem us from our sins, Yahusha' ben Yahuweh. I believe in following the Way
of Yahuweh and observing the Torah, which He gave, observing Shabbath, the Feasts in Scripture. I
believe in being immersed in His Name. I believe, that Goyim that turn from their sins to Yahuweh are
grafted into the Olive Tree of ISRAEL. That all those grafted in, become of the Household of Yahuweh.
What I don't believe in, is that Talmud=Torah.
I don't believe that speaking out against Judaism makes me,
or others, anti-semetic.
I don't believe that a Jew, born as such, automatically
receives salvation, just because he is a Jew. Anyone of
Jewish descent has to turn from their sins, accept Yahusha'
as HaMashiach and walk in the ways of Yahuweh, like the
rest of us.
I don't beleive in being against Jews because they are
Jewish or Goyim because they are Goyim. Racism goes both
AMEN TO THIS KATHRYN. THAT IS WHY I STILL WANT TO TALK AS
I KNOW YOU ARE STUDIED
IN THE HISTORY OF THEJEWS AND NOT THE TRADITION.
I know that James is onto something with the jewishness of the bom and that is information i want to
learn. Just like i want to learn from you the things that are not from YHWH but are TRADITION.
Just pray about it I have enjoyed our conversations about the scriptures. I know the Lord led me to all
these people to learn some from all and that is what i am seeking. To understand what we need to do as a
family. Keep in touch. I will send the books soon.
The next e-mail
Subject: Re: call
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 00:00:36 EDT
In a message dated 07/22/2000 10:20:02 PM Central Daylight
<< Greg, can you honestly tell me, whether or not
you feel that my posting of truth, against the lies and
slander of James, is unjust? Do you believe that James has been unrighteous in this matter? Shalom,
Yes He has.
I believe the book of Mormon is causing a lot of people problems because it is true and they don't want
to admit it in their particular circle of people. The truth was and is going to come out eventually anyway
YHWH says it will. The same thing I happening in the circle of BOM believers as they come into the Law
again that ephraim left behind. People in the gentile church don't want law they only want grace but they
don't know they cant have one without the other. You were probably and Mrs H way for the Lord to
reveal things about trimm and this is causing people to look at the book and that is what
YHWH wants. I know from our conversations that you are not anti Semite and really appreciate all you
done for me and the things we have shared in just a few short weeks. I just want to understand the BOM
(a Hebrew book) correctly. Not like 2000 years of hellenization. I have some things I want to ask you that I
have discovered in the BOM that I ran by trimm and he doesn't by it but I know it to be true. I would like
your opinion on from a Hebrew perspective and see if you can give me some more info on. I only told
James about the site via email one night, only for the reason of letting him know that it was coming out.
Who really cares there is nothing he can do about it, you know what I mean. He brought your name up
and I just said she is posting
a web site with this stuff. Like I said to Mrs. H all people sin and although I don't agree with what he has
done or a lot of people for that matter, he is knowledgeable as you are in the manner of the Jews and that
is what I am after, so I can read and study and bounce things off both of you. I know he is very much into
Judaism and you are not, and I tend to lean toward your side on things like Talmud and such but I want
his perspective as well. I hope you are not upset with me, I am just seeking understanding in any way I
can get it and again the Lord has led me to all these people so I am going to do what he wants me to
do. I am not going to lie though. If I do a Jewish BOM website it will be in a my name if you know what I
mean, because I want the truth to get out no matter what people think of me. I appreciate the rest of what
you said in the anti Semites emails. Judas and ephraim must come together, the BOM is part of that, and I
think there are things the Jews will have to change as well as ephraim and that is what I want to do, as
ephraim, change my life like the come out of her book is saying. Believe me it is causing me problems
like it has James in that most people wont accept getting back to Torah, but I don't care because I want the
Subject: Re: call
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 00:27:22 EDT
In a message dated 07/22/2000 11:09:54 PM Central Daylight
<< SHalom b'YHWH
Greg, how can you trust a man, and what he teaches, with such
unrighteousness? This is not the first time in doing what he has done. THe more I dig, the more lies I see.
He refuses to apologize, either to the Hawkins or to me. That is not righteousness. What kind of "truth"
can come from a man with such a habit of lying and slander, and pride and lack of repenting? Shalom,
How could David be a man after Gods own heart when he lusted
after a women and sent her husband to
be killed so he could have her and when he was killed take her to be his wife? I have confidence that he
will repent, it may not be in our timing but the Lord will work his work. The point is we ALL have sin in
our lives, not to excuse him but we do. This doesn't mean we have no truth in us at all. Did I say I trusted
the man? I study things out and ask God if they be the truth, I
don't rely on any Man to fully show me the way. I take truth in the little bits and pieces I can get wherever
the Lord leads me to get it. I don't
believe everything he teaches. I just want to talk to him and share what he knows from a Jewish
perspective on the BOM. I am sure you will be able to help in that too when and if you read the BOM.
But even though you may have some gross sin in your life, will not limit me from corresponding with
you. Maybe me being involved in his life in the least bit could bring him to repentance. Do you think I
condone this? Well, I don't not in the least.
Going to bed talk to ya later.
And the next
Subject: Re: call
Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:03:36 EDT
In a message dated 07/22/2000 11:34:26 PM Central Daylight
<< ames teaching of House of Yahudha and House of
Efrayim are false. What he teaches is Rabbinic
Judaism. To the Mormons he says that they are Efrayim. To Messianic Jews, he says that Efrayim are the
Lost Tribes - the gentiles. Neither of which is according to Thorah. Efrayim does not convert to Judaism.
What he is teaching is a false sectarianism, promoting Judaism. What all of us have to do, is to turn and
return to the ways of YHWH and His Beyth. Yahusha` is the Tree of Life, He is the root that provides the
life. It is not Yahudah or Efrayim. Compile that with all his other lies and slander, this man is not credible
trustworthy. Shalom, Kathryn >>
If he now believes in the bom then these views as you say
are changing. I dont know when he wrote
these words but I would imagine before you came into all of what you have studied, your teachings were
false as well. I will say I agree with what you are saying above. YHWH is the way and all that come unto
him both jew and gentile bond and free will be numbered with israel. Here is a quote from the bom to
[2 Ne 7:19] And I will fortify this land against all other nations;
[2 Ne 7:20] And he that fighteth against Zion, shall perish, saith God; for he that raiseth up a king against
me, shall perish.
[2 Ne 7:21] For I the Lord, the King of heaven, will be their king; and I
will be a light upon them forever, that hear my words.
[2 Ne 7:22] Wherefore, for this cause, that my covenants may be fulfilled, which I have made unto the
children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh, I must needs destroy the secret works
of darkness, and of murders, and of abominations;
[2 Ne 7:23] Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male
and female, shall perish:
[2 Ne 7:24] For they are they who are the whore of all the earth;
[2 Ne 7:25] For they who are not for me, are against me, saith our God.
[2 Ne 7:26] For I will fulfill my promises which I have made unto the
children of men, that I will do unto them while they are in the flesh.
[2 Ne 7:27] Wherefore, my beloved brethren, thus saith our God: I will
afflict thy seed by the hand of the Gentiles;
[2 Ne 7:28] Nevertheless, I will soften the hearts of the Gentiles, that they shall be like unto a father to
[2 Ne 7:29] Wherefore, the Gentiles shall be blessed and numbered among the house of Israel.
[2 Ne 7:30] Wherefore, I will consecrate this land unto thy seed, and they who shall be numbered among
thy seed, for ever, for the land of their inheritance:
[2 Ne 7:31] For it is a choice land, saith God unto me, above all other lands;
[2 Ne 7:32] Wherefore, I will have all men that dwell thereon, that they
shall worship me, saith God.
[2 Ne 7:33] And now, my beloved brethren, seeing that our merciful God has given us so great
knowledge concerning these things, let us remember him, and lay aside our sins, and not hang down our
heads, for we are not cast off;
[2 Ne 7:34] Nevertheless, we have been driven out of the land of our
inheritance; but we have been led to a better land:
[2 Ne 7:35] For the Lord has made the sea our path, and we are upon an isle of the sea.
[2 Ne 7:36] But great are the promises of the Lord unto those who are upon the isles of the sea;
[2 Ne 7:37] Wherefore, as it says isles, there must needs be more than this; and they are inhabited also by
[2 Ne 7:38] For behold, the Lord God has led away from time to time from the house of Israel, according
to his will and pleasure.
[2 Ne 7:39] And now, behold, the Lord remembereth all those who have been broken off; wherefore, he
remembereth us also.
[2 Ne 7:40] Therefore cheer up your hearts, and remember that ye are free to act for yourselves; to choose
the way of everlasting death, or the way of eternal life.
[2 Ne 7:41] Wherefore, my beloved brethren, reconcile yourselves to the will of God, and not to the will of
the devil and the flesh;
[2 Ne 7:42] And remember after ye are reconciled unto God, that it is only in and through the grace of
God that ye are saved.
[2 Ne 7:43] Wherefore, may God raise you from death, by the power of the resurrection, and also from
everlasting death, by the power of the atonement,
[2 Ne 7:44] That ye may be received into the eternal kingdom of God, that ye may praise him through
grace divine. Amen.
The points you say are well taken, I know that he teaches
things that are not right, but I am a seeker of
truth and will look for it and find whatever truth I can. I was led to avi ben mordecai a few years back, I
think i told you about it, I knew then and still do that things they teach are from a judaism perspective
and they are traditions but i also know they know things that are true that i need to understand as well.
By the way thats probably why I ran into you, but if you choose not to talk to me how can I learn, what
you feel is what the Lord led you to. I wil say I am not a spy, nor am I anything other than a man seeking
truth from the judaism side of things and you and him happen to have some truth that you can share with
me that I know the Lord wants me to put into my tool box if you will. So I hope you will be able to talk
and share with me and I with you, so we can learn from each other.
Yahusha` is the Tree of
Life, He is the root that provides the life
[1 Ne 3:45] And behold, this thing shall be given unto thee
for a sign, that after thou hast beheld the tree
which bore the fruit which thy father tasted, thou shalt also behold a man descending out of heaven; and
him shall ye witness; and after ye have witnessed him, ye shall bear record that it is the Son of God.
[1 Ne 3:46] And it came to pass that the Spirit said unto me, Look! and I
looked and beheld a tree; and it was like unto the tree which my father had seen; and the beauty thereof
was far beyond, yea, exceeding of all beauty; and the whiteness thereof did exceed the whiteness of the
[1 Ne 3:47] And it came to pass after I had seen the tree, I said unto the
Spirit, I behold thou hast shewn unto me the tree which is precious above all.
[1 Ne 3:48] And he said unto me, What desirest thou?
[1 Ne 3:49] And I said unto him, To know the interpretation thereof:
[1 Ne 3:50] For I spake unto him as a man speaketh; for I beheld that he was in the form of a man; yet,
nevertheless, I knew that it was the Spirit of the Lord: and he spake unto me as a man speaketh with
[1 Ne 3:51] And it came to pass that he said unto me, Look! and I looked as if to look upon him, and I saw
him not; for he had gone from before my presence.
[1 Ne 3:52] And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the great city of Jerusalem, and also other cities.
[1 Ne 3:53] And I beheld the city of Nazareth: and in the city of Nazareth I beheld a virgin, and she was
exceedingly fair and white.
[1 Ne 3:54] And it came to pass that I saw the heavens open; and an angel came down and stood before
me; and he said unto me, Nephi, what beholdest thou?
[1 Ne 3:55] And I said unto him, A virgin, most beautiful and fair above all other virgins.
[1 Ne 3:56] And he said unto me, Knowest thou the condescension of God?
[1 Ne 3:57] And I said unto him, I know that he loveth his children;
nevertheless I do not know the meaning of all things.
[1 Ne 3:58] And he said unto me, Behold, the virgin whom thou seest is the mother of the Son of God,
after the manner of the flesh.
[1 Ne 3:59] And it came to pass that I beheld that she was carried away in the Spirit;
[1 Ne 3:60] And after she had been carried away in the Spirit for the space of a time, the angel spake unto
me, saying, Look!
[1 Ne 3:61] And I looked and beheld the virgin again, bearing a child in her arms.
[1 Ne 3:62] And the angel said unto me, Behold the Lamb of God, yea, even the Son of the Eternal Father!
[1 Ne 3:63] Knowest thou the meaning of the tree which thy father saw?
[1 Ne 3:64] And I answered him, saying, Yea, it is the love of God, which sheddeth itself abroad in the
hearts of the children of men; wherefore it is the most desirable above all things.
[1 Ne 3:65] And he spake unto me, saying, Yea, and the most joyous to the soul.
[1 Ne 3:66] And after he had said these words, he said unto me, Look! And I looked, and I beheld the Son
of God going forth among the children of men:
[1 Ne 3:67] And I saw many fall down at his feet and worship him.
[1 Ne 3:68] And it came to pass that I beheld that the rod of iron, which my father had seen, was the word
of God, which led to the fountain of living waters, or to the tree of life; which waters are a representation
of the love of God;
[1 Ne 3:69] And I also beheld that the tree of life was a representation of the love of God.
[1 Ne 3:70] And the angel said unto me again, Look and behold the
condescension of God!
[1 Ne 3:71] And I looked and beheld the Redeemer of the world, of whom my father had spoken;
[1 Ne 3:72] And I also beheld the prophet who should prepare the way before him.
[1 Ne 3:73] And the Lamb of God went forth and was baptized of him;
[1 Ne 3:74] And after he was baptized, I beheld the heavens open, and the Holy Ghost come down out of
heaven and abode upon him in the form of a dove."
At this point, I was disgusted with Greg's excuses of unrighteous
behavior, just because he wanted
information from James. Greg told the H's that James called him and assured him, the he was
forced to post the 6 steps by the Beit Din. So I wrote to Greg asking him this. He said yes. I wrote to y'all
asking the same question. I wanted Greg to see that James had lied to him. So I forwarded the response
from Steve, saying no they had not told James to do that. This mornings e-mail from Greg is about some
Hebrew books I referred him to. That was it.
Sorry this was so long, but you needed whole e-mails for
proof of what I was saying. I dont misquote, I
dont give false impressions by ommissions, nor do I lie.
Michael, you say this will get the ball rolling. THis ball
has already been rolling and is picking up speed.
Last night I got two emails from different people. On a forward from a Messianic forum that I did not
know existed, where James has recently posted about attacks on him that are lies. "During this one month
period the following accusations have been made on this and other lists:" Michael, it has been less than a
month since this started. He is currently posting this! He even accuses me of falsely claiming that he was
Rabbi Yosef and advocated the Book of Mormon. A really absurd thing he states, " 7. The woman who
posted 3 & 4 claimed to be married to me and to be preganant with my child. She later elaborated that
she was speaking spiritually. Still... what a thing to say! I only met the woman in question onece and
then only because she attended a lecture I gave.I do not even remember her." He is lying again.
As I told you, everyday that y'all take your time, is another
day the he spreads his lies. Now, I have not
done anything since talking with you, but if something is not done in the next few days, I am making this
an even bigger issue, to a larger number of people. That was another 81 people he said that to. 81 more
people that I did not have on my list. 81 more people that I have to get the truth to. Oh, I almost forgot,
the other e-mail to me about James's activity, it was about a chat room he has been on about this. I had not
even thought of the chat rooms. Do you know how many more people that he has lied to there? I am
Where am I? I am in front of this computer, where I have
been since this began. Do you mean where am I
in accumulating addresses? Do you mean where am I in proving that Dr. James Trimm's doctorate is from
a diploma mill with no physical address? Do you mean where am I in finding jewishbom quotes by
James at other forums? Or do you mean what state am I from? Well, that would be Texas, central Texas,
where the heat is in the 100's and that is certainly not helping my mood. Where the temperature icon are
flames, which about depicts how livid I am right now, about James and this situation. You say you are
busy Michael, and I would like to believe you, but I dont know how many more days I can give you,
while James goes about in this manner. SHalom, Kathryn
YHWH bless you and guard you. YHWH make His face to shine upon you and show you favor. YHWH
lift up His face upon you and give you shalom.