James Trimm <jstrimm@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 9, 1999 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Ehphraim & Judah
> Hello James So, I am going 'duh'!! Are you saying that
>you are a Jew and a believer in Yeshua our Messiah
>and I am simply a righteous gentile?
I am not sure why you added the word "simply". The righteous live by
faith/belief" (Hab. 2:4) and Avraham believed and it was counted to
him as "righteousness". Soi I am not sure why you use the word
simply there. One might also say that you are a believing Gentile and I
am a righteous Jew. It would be just as awkward to say that you are a
believing gentile and I am "simply" a righteous Jew.
>Righteous gentile meaning - believing pagan??
No there is a completely different word in Aramiac for "pagan". A
pagan is not a "righteous gentile" period.
>That I have no place in the Kingdom,
I did not say that. You would live in the Kingdom and be ruled by it
(read the prophets).
>I am not part of the bride,
Again read the prophecies. You would be the "guests" at the wedding.
See Yeshua'a parable.
> I am not a nation of priests
Who are they priests to?
>and I will not rule with Messiah just because I cannot prove I am part
That is not the issue. If you read what I wrote it has nothing to do with
proving you are Ephraim. Ephraim has not preserved the covenant.
Ephraim is not a covenant people today. You would only therefore
prove that you are part of a people who abandoned the covenent long
ago and were divorced by YHWH. If your goal is to become part of the
covenent people you will need to do that through the House of Judah
(Ezek. 37:18-23; Zech. 8:23; Rom. 11) the only people that have
preserved the covenent. It is in this way that the two houses will be
When Ephraim rebelled and seprated from the Davidic king she
established her own Temple APART FROM THE TEMPLE OF YHWH.
Her reconciliation to Am-Yisrael will be in humbling herself to return.
OK lets review:
* Ephraim rebels against the Temple and establishes her own upon
splitting from Judah.
* Ephraim turns to pagan gods and abandons the covenant.
* YHWH divorces Epharim (Jer. 3)
* Ephraim embraces Messiah but not without paganizing it.
Then after over 2,500 years Ephraim wants to accept the covenent
appart from those that maintained it? She wants not to return to those
from whom she split in her rebelion, but wishes again to make strong
her own House appart from those who have preserved the covenant.
She wants to become a nation of priests without repenting of this
rebelion and submitting to those that did not rebel against the Temple?
>Is this not arrogant?
I think that the above expectation of Ephraim is arogant.
> You are making me feel that I am an inferior believer to you.
I cannot help how facts make you feel but there is no reason to feel that
>Is this the message of Yeshua?
>So, in order to be accepted by you and the Nazarenes
>I MUST be circumcised and be Torah observant.
>I do these things because I want to, and I want to please YHWH,
>and because I love Him.
Please read Exodus 12:47-50
In order to be accepted as a part of the Nazarene community you
should be learning
Torah with an intent to become Torah observant. Doe that not make
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