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From: James Trimm <jstrimm@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 4:39am
Subject: BoM and Torah part 1
THIS MATERIAL SHOULD NOT BE MISUNDERSTOOD AS AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE BOM
There is a lot of talk these days about getting back to the "New Testament
Church." But the real truth is, there are two things the "New Testament
Church" did not have: A "New Testament" and a "Church". The believers
of
the "New Testament Church" met in synagogues (Acts 15:21; James 1:1; 2:2)
and had no book known as the "New Testament" because it had not been
written and compiled yet. Thus when a believer from the "New Testament
Church" referred to "The Scriptures" he was speaking of the Tanak ("Old
Testament") for they were the only Scriptures he had. Thus when Paul wrote
to Timothy:
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect,
thoroughly furnished to all good works.
(2Tim. 3:16-17)
Paul was referring to the Tanak, the only Scriptures they had. Moreover
when Paul spoke to the Bereans in Acts 17:11 we are told of them:
These were more noble than those at Thessalonica,
in that they received the word with all readiness of mind,
and searched the Scriptures daily,
whether those things were so.
Paul was saying that the Bereans were noble because they did not believe
what Paul said simply on the authority of Paul. They were looking to see
if what Paul was teaching could be found in the Scriptures. Remember,
they
were looking in the Tanak, the only Scriptures they had at the time. Paul
said that it was noble of them to only accept his teaching if it lined up
with the Tanak. That means that whenever we study the New Testament we
should ask ourselves this question: "Can you get here from there?" (There
being the Tanak). If you think you understand something in the New
Testament in such a way that it contradicts the Tanak, then you need to
realize that you are misunderstanding it.
The same is true of the BoM. The Book of Mormon constantly tells us to
search the Scriptures:
...and they searched the scriptures... (Jacob 7:23)
...many of them did believe on his words,
and began to repent, and to search the scriptures.
(Alma 14:1)
...they had waxed strong in the knowledge of the truth;
for they were men of sound understanding
and they had searched the scriptures diligently,
that they might know the word of God.
(Alma 17:2)
...ye ought to search the scriptures...
(Alma 33:2)
...he that has the scriptures,
let him search them,...
(3Nephi 10:14)
(see also Mosiah 1:3; Jacob 4:6; 3Nephi 20:11; 23:1, 5; Mormon 8:23)
Now when the Book of Mormon refers to the "Scriptures" it cannot be
referring to itself and it cannot be referring to the New Testament. When
the Book of Mormon says to "search the scriptures" it refers to the Tanak
("Old Testament").
I am going to ask you to be a noble Berean. I am going to ask you to
understand what the other writings say in light of what the Tanak says.
The word "TORAH" is commonly translated in our Bibles as "Torah",
but is that really a good translation of the word Torah? The Hebrew word
"TORAH" (Strong's Heb. #8451) means guidance or instruction. TORAH comes
from the Hebrew root verb YARAH (Strong's 3384) meaning "to instruct".
YARAH was also an archery term referring to shooting an arrow and as a term
meaning "to lay a foundation." Torah therefore is guidance, like
the
straight path of an arrow to its target. Torah is our foundation.
It is
important to understand the real meaning of the Hebrew word Torah. Because
while some might say "God's Torah is not for today" no one would say that
"God's instruction and guidance are not for today."
This book is about Torah, it is about God's guidance for us. This
book is about laying foundation and about setting ourselves on target like
an arrow. This book will give you aim, direction, foundation and a target.
The Greek word for TORAH used in the Septuagint (Greek "Old
Testament") and the Greek New Testament is NOMOS. This parallels the
Aramaic Bible (the Peshitta) which has NAMOSA from the Semitic root NIMMES
meaning "to civilize" and from which we also get the modern Hebrew word
NIMOS or NIMUS meaning "politeness." At the core of TORAH are the precepts
of civilization. From God's perspective, without Torah we are uncivilized.
Now we have already shown that in studying the New Testament we
must ask ourselves "can you get here from there?" ("there" being the Tanak
(Old Testament)). If we understand something in the New Testament in such
a way that it contradicts the Tanak, then we must be misunderstanding it.
Now there are many who understand many New Testament passages in such a way
as to believe and teach that the Torah has been abolished. Let us be like
noble Bereans and let us look in the Tanak to see if this is so (Acts
17:11). After all Paul tells us that the Tanak is "profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, [and] for instruction" (2Tim.
3:16). So what does the Tanak say? Was the Torah to be for
all
generations, forever? or would it one day be abolished? If the Torah
would one day be abolished, then we should be able to find this taught in
the Tanak. As Noble Bereans we should be checking to see if the things
we
have been taught can be found in the Tanak. By contrast, if the Torah
would not be abolished, but would be for all generations forever, then we
should be able to find that information in the Torah as well. Since the
Tanak is profitable for doctrine and correction, perhaps we can seek the
truth on this issue from the Tanak:
...it shall be a statute forever
to their generations.... (Ex. 27:21)
...it shall be a statute forever to him
and his seed after him. (Ex. 28:43)
...a statute forever... (Ex. 29:28)
...it shall be a statute forever to them,
to him and to his seed
throughout their generations. (Ex. 30:21)
It is a sign between me
and the children of Israel forever. (Ex. 31:17)
There is no shortage of passages in the Torah which specify that the Torah
will not be abolished but will be for all generations forever. (For more
see: Lev. 6:18, 22; 7:34, 36; 10:9, 15; 17:7; 23:14, 21, 41; 24:3; Num.
10:8; 15:15; 18:8, 11, 19, 23; 19:10 and Deut. 5:29)
Moreover the Psalmist writes:
Your word is truth from the beginning:
and every one of your righteous judgements
endures forever.
(Psalm 119:160)
Furthermore the Tanak tells us that the Torah is not to be changed or
taken away from:
You shall not add to the word
which I command you,
neither shall you take away a thing from it,
that you may keep the commandments
of YHWH your God which I command you.
(Deut 4:2)
Whatever thing I command you,
observe to do it: you shall not add thereto,
nor take away from it.
(Deut. 12:32)
So if we are "Noble Bereans" we will find that the Tanak teaches that the
Torah will not be abolished but will endure for all generations forever.
This teaching from the Tanak is profitable to us for doctrine, for reproval
and for correction.
The Messiah echoes this teaching:
Do not think that I have come
to destroy the Torah or the Prophets.
I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.
For assuredly, I say to you,
till heaven and earth pass away,
one yud or one mark will by no means
pass from the Torah till all is fulfilled.
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least
of these commandments, and teaches men so,
he will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven;
but whoever does and teaches them
will be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven.
(Matt. 5:17-19 see also Lk. 16:17 & 3Ne. 12:17-19 ).
As does Paul:
Do we then abolish the Torah through trust?
Absolutely not! We uphold the Torah!
(Rom. 3:31)
Despite the fact that David was saved by faith alone (Rom. 4:5-8) he loved
the Torah and delighted in it (Ps. 119: 97, 113, 163). Paul (Paul) also
delighted in the Torah (Rom. 7:22) and called it "holy, just and good."
(Rom. 7:12). There is nothing wrong with the Torah that God should want to
abolish or destroy it, in fact both the Tenach and the New Scriptures call
the Torah "perfect" (Ps. 19:7; James 1:25).
The Torah is even called in the New Testament "the Torah of Messiah" (Gal.
6:2). To say that the Torah was not forever and is not for all
generations, is to call God a liar.
Another popular teaching in the church is a teaching that God only gave
the Torah to Israel to prove that they could not keep it. For example
one
book states:
...Israel, in blindness and pride and self-
righteousness, presumed to ask for the law;
and God granted their request, to show them
that they could not keep his law...
(God's Plan of the Ages; Louis T. Talbot; 1970; p. 66)
Now lets think this through for a moment. God gives Israel the Torah.
He
says he will place curses upon Israel if they fail to keep the Torah (Lev.
26 & Deut 28-29). He sends prophets to warn Israel of pending destruction
because of their continual failure to keep Torah. Eventually God allows
Babylon to invade Jerusalem and the Jews to be taken into captivity,
because of their failure to keep Torah. Then he comes along and says "Nah,
I was only fooling. I just gave you the Torah to prove you could not do
it." What kind of God would that be? Of course as noble Bereans
we can
simply look in the Tanak to see if this popular teaching is true. Let
us
see what the Tanak says on this issue:
For this commandment which I command you this day
it is not to hard for you, neither is it far off.
It is not in heaven, that you should say:
" Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it to us,
and make us to hear it, that we may do it?"
Neither is it beyond the sea, that you should say:
"Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it to us,
and make us hear it, that we may do it?"
But the Word is very near to you, in your mouth,
and in your heart, that you may do it.
(Deut. 30:11-14)
The fact that the Torah can be kept is confirmed as well in the New
Testament which tells us that Yeshua was tempted in all things just as we
are and he did keep the Torah (Heb. 4:15).
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From: James Trimm <jstrimm@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 4:39am
Subject: BoM and Torah Part 2
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THIS MATERIAL SHOULD NOT BE MISUNDERSTOOD AS AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE BOM
Now one of the problems in understanding the Scriptures is that of
definitions of words and terms. If we want to understand the scriptures
we
must understand these terms and words. And if we want to understand these
we must do just as the BoM suggests and "search the scriptures", that is
search the Tanak ("Old Testament") in order to "know the word of God" (Alma
17:2) for understanding and "knowledge of the truth" (Alma 17:2).
This brings us to an important term: "truth". Now Alma 17:2 states that
"knowledge of the truth" comes from "searching the scriptures" (meaning the
Tanak).
Now when he was on trial before Pilate Yeshua said:
For this I have been born,
and for this I have come into the world,
to bear witness of the truth.
Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.
(John 18:37-38)
To this Pilate asked the all important question:
What is truth?
(John. 18:38)
Let us look back to the Tanak to find the answer to Pilate's question:
Your righteousness is an everlasting righteousness,
and your Torah is truth.
(Psalm 119:142)
You are near, O YHWH,
and all your commandments are truth.
(Psalm 119:151)
This definition explains many phrases in the New Testament:
"Obey the truth" (Gal. 3:1)
"But he that does truth..." (Jn. 3:20)
And I rejoice that I found your children
walking in the truth, as we have received
a commandment from the Father.
(2Jn. 1:4)
The Tanak definition of truth gives whole new meaning to Yeshua's words:
For this I have been born,
and for this I have come into the world,
to bear witness of the truth.
Everyone who is of the truth hears my voice.
(John 18:37-38)
Yeshua came to bear witness of the Torah, those who hear the Torah hear
his voice. This leads us to another important saying from Yeshua:
Then Yeshua said to those Jews who believed
on him, if you continue in my word,
then are you my disciples indeed.
And you shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you free.
(John 8:31-32)
Now if we plug what we learned about "truth" from "searching the
scriptures" into the Book of Mormon we find some interesting things:
...the book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew
and when it proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew
it contained the fulness of the gospel of the Lord,
of whom the twelve apostles bear record;
and they bear record according to the truth
which is in the Lamb of God.
Wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews
in purity unto the Gentiles,
according to the truth which is in God.
and after that they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles
of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles; behold, after this,
thou seest the foundation of a great and abominable church, which
is the most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they
have taken away from the Gospel of the Lamb, many parts which
are plain and most precious; and also, many Covenants of the Lord
have they taken away;
(1Ne. 13:24-26)
... These last records, which you have seen among the Gentiles,
shall establish the truth of the first,...
(1Ne. 13:40)
...in the latter day shall the truth come unto the Gentiles...
(3Ne. 16:7)
Charity... rejoiceth not in iniquity
but rejoiceth in truth,...
(Moroni 7:45)
Now we have already shown that the truth (Torah) makes us free.
Yeshua said:
... if you continue in my word,
then are you my disciples indeed.
And you shall know the truth,
and the truth shall make you free.
(John 8:31-32)
Therefore the Torah brings freedom. This is completely contrary to what
most people have been taught. The common wisdom is that the Torah is
bondage and that "freedom in Christ" means freedom from Torah. For example
one author writes:
Many Christians today would return to Sinai.
They would put upon the church the yoke of
bondage, the Law of Moses.
(God's Plan of the Ages; Louis T. Talbot; 1970; p. 66)
However as we shall see the scriptures teach that exactly the opposite
is true.
The central story of Judaism is that of the Exodus from Egypt.
The children of Israel were in bondage in Egypt. God promised to bring
them out of bondage and give them freedom. Upon leading the children of
Israel out of Egypt, YHWH led them to Mt. Sinai where he delivered the
Torah to them. Note that the theme of this central story is that God
promised freedom from bondage and gave the children of Israel Torah.
The Book of Mormon says:
Now ye know that the children of Israel
were in bondage; and ye know that they
were laden with tasks, which were grievous
to be borne; wherefore, ye know that it
must needs be a good thing for them that
they should be brought out of bondage.
(3Nephi 17:25)
Now why would YHWH lead the people out of bondage in Egypt, lead them to
Mt. Sinai, and deliver them right back into bondage again? And why would
he at the same time promise them freedom. God is no liar. He promised
the
people freedom and he gave them Torah because the Torah is freedom from
bondage. The Torah is truth (Ps. 119:142) and the truth will make you
free
(John 8:31-32).
This truth is proclaimed by the Psalmist:
So shall I keep your Torah continually forever and ever,
And I will walk in freedom: for I seek your precepts.
(Psalm 119:44-45)
As well as by Ya'akov HaTzadik (James the Just) who called the Torah "the
Torah of freedom" (James 1:25; 2:12).
However many today teach that the Torah is bondage and that
Torah-lessness is freedom. They have exchanged the truth (Torah) of God
for a lie (Torah-lessness) (Rom. 1:25). Of these 2Peter 2:19 states:
While they promise them freedom,
they themselves are servants of corruption:
for of whom a man is overcome,
of the same is he brought into bondage.
according to Kefa these men "turn from the holy commandment delivered to
them" (2Peter 2:21) they promise freedom but deliver bondage.
The Book of Mormon makes great use of the term "freedom" and from
"searching the scriptures" we have learned that real freedom only comes
from Torah. The Book of Mormon also says:
...the Messiah should be manifest unto them in the latter days,
in the spirit of power, unto the bringing of them
out of darkness unto light-- yea out of hidden darkness
and out of captivity unto freedom.
(2Nephi 3:5)
This brings us to the terms "light" and "darkness". Now we know that
"light" is "freedom" and "darkness" is "captivity" so "light" should relate
to Torah. Let us search the scriptures:
For the commandment is a lamp;
and the Torah is light...
(Prov. 6:23)
Your word is a lamp to my feet,
and a light to my path.
(Psalm 119:105)
To the Torah and to the testimony;
if they speak not according to this word,
it is because there is no light in them.
(Isaiah 8:20 also 2Ne. 18:20)
...for a Torah shall proceed from me,
and I will make my judgement to rest
for a light of the people.
(Isaiah 51:4)
So according to the Tanak the Torah is a light for our paths. Those that
walk in the Torah walk in the light. This is why both the BoM and the
New
Testament speak of those who walk in darkness (Jn. 8:12; 12:35; 1Jn. 1:6;
2:11):
Who is among you that feareth the Lord,
that obeyeth the voice of his servant,
that walketh in darkness and hath no light?
(2Ne. 7:10)
These are those who do not walk by the light of Torah.
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From: James Trimm <jstrimm@h...>
Date: Tue Aug 15, 2000 4:40am
Subject: BoM and Torah Part 3
THIS MATERIAL SHOULD NOT BE MISUNDERSTOOD AS AN ENDORSEMENT OF THE BOM
Understanding 1Nephi 13:20-29
13:20 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld that they did
prosper in the land, and I beheld a Book; and it was carried forth
among them.
13:21 And the angel saith unto me, Knowest thou the meaning of
the Book?
13:22 And I saith unto him, I know not.
13:23 And he saith, Behold, it proceedeth out of the mouth of a
Jew, and I, Nephi, beheld it; and he saith unto me, The Book
which thou beholdest, is a record of the Jews, which contains the
covenants of the Lord which he hath made unto the House of Israel;
and it also containeth many of the prophesies of the Holy Prophets;
and it is a record like unto the engravings which are upon the plates
of brass, save there are not so many; nevertheless, they contain the
covenants of the Lord, which he hath made unto the House of
Israel; wherefore, they are of great worth unto the Gentiles.
The book is clearly the Bible and especially the Tanak ("Old Testament")
which coresponds with the "brass plates" (1Ne. 5:10-22; 19:22) These
included (according to 1Nephi 5:10-22):
* the five books of Moses (Torah)
* a record of the Jews (Ketuvim)
* the prophecies of the holy prophets (Navim)
The first letter of each [T]orah; [N]avim and [K]etuvim forms the word
TaNaK which refers to the "Old Testament" in Judaism. Notice that the
Tanak is "of great worth" unto the Gentiles.
13:24 And the angel of the Lord said unto me, Thou hast beheld
that the Book proceeded forth from the mouth of a Jew; and when it
proceedeth from the mouth of a Jew, it contained the plainness of
the Gospel of the Lord, of whom the twelve apostles bear record;
and they bear record according to the truth which is in the Lamb of
God;
Notice it says "mouth of a Jew". The implication is that the oral
understanding of this book as it was taught was correct when the original,
Jewish followers of Yeshua taught it. Notice it says "they bear record
according to the truth". According to the TaNaK itself:
...your Torah (law) is truth. (Ps. 119:142)
...all your commandments are truth. (Ps. 119:151)
When the message came forth from the mouth of the Jew they did "bear record
according to the Torah and commandments".
13:25 wherefore, these things go forth from the Jews in purity,
unto the Gentiles, according to the truth which is in God;
Again the message went forth from the Jews in purity according to the Torah
and commandments.
13:26 and after that they go forth by the hand of the twelve apostles
of the Lamb, from the Jews unto the Gentiles; behold, after this,
thou seest the foundation of a great and abominable church, which
is the most abominable above all other churches; for behold, they
have taken away from the Gospel of the Lamb, many parts which
are plain and most precious; and also, many Covenants of the Lord
have they taken away;
Notice that AFTER the message goes forth from the Jews unto the Gentiles
there is formed among the Gentiles an "abominable church" which takes
material away from the message. The consistant reference to "mouth of
the
Jew" may imply that it was not so much the written text that was altered,
but the oral understanding of what it meant. When the Jews taught the
message they taught it according to the "truth"... according to the Torah
and commandments. But AFTER the Gentiles formed the abominable church
they
took away from the message. This itself points back to the Torah:
You shall not add to the word which I command you,
neither shall you take away from it,
that you may keep the commandments of the LORD your God
which I command you.
(Deut. 4:2)
What thing soever I command you, observe and do it:
you shall not add thereto, nor take away from it.
(Deut. 12:32)
So it seems that AFTER the message went forth from the Jew to the gentiles,
the Gentiles formed an abominable church and took away truth (Torah) from
the message!
13:27 and all this have they done, that they might pervert the right
ways of the Lord; that they might blind the eyes and harden the
hearts of the children of men;
13:28 wherefore, thou seest that after the Book hath gone forth
through the hands of the great and abominable church, that there are
many plain and precious things taken away from the Book, which
is the Book of the Lamb of God;
13:29 and after that these plain and precious things were taken
away, it goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles; and after it
goeth forth unto all the nations of the Gentiles, yea, even across the
many waters which thou hast seen with the Gentiles which have
gone forth out of captivity; and thou seest because of the many
plain and precious things which have been taken out of the Book,
which were plain unto the understanding of the children of men,
according to the plainness which is in the Lamb of God; and
because of these things which were taken away out of the Gospel
of the Lamb, an exceeding great many do stumble, yea, insomuch
that Satan hath great power over them;
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Subject: BoM and Torah part 4
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14:20 Wherefore, by their fruits ye shall know them.
14:21 Not every one that saith unto me
Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
14:22 Many will say to me in that day,
Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in my name done many wonderful works?
14:23 And then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
(3Ne. 14:20-23)
Now this text is virtually identical to Mt. 7:20-23. This gives us an
oportunity to do a word study on the word "iniquity". The word for
"iniquity" here (Mt. 7:20-23) in the Greek is a form of the Greek word
ANOMOS. The Greek word ANOMOS is formed by joining the Greek word NOMOS
meaning "Torah" with the Greek prefix "A-" meaning "without". Thus the
word "iniquity" here actually means "Torah-less" or "Torah-less-ness".
So
in this and perhaps other passages in the Book of Mormon "iniquity" refers
to "Torahlessness".
Ok now lets go back to the apocalypse of Nephi:
14:7 for the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God,
that I will work a great and a marvellous work among the children
of men;
a work which shall be everlasting,
either on the one hand or on the other;
either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal,
or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts
and the blindness of their minds,
unto their being brought down into captivity,
and also unto destruction, both temporally and spiritually,
according to the captivity of the Devil, of which I have spoken.
The Messiah teaches truth which brings freedom (Jn. 8:31-32) while the
devil teaches a lie (Jn. 8: 44 see also Rev. 12:9 and 2Ne. 2:18; 9:9; Eth.
8:25 ) which would therefore bring bondage. Remember the Torah is truth
(Ps. 119:142, 151). So if Messiah teaches truth and Torah is truth, and
the devil teaches a lie, then the lie must be Torahlessness (ANOMOS) like
that in 3Nephi 13:23!
14:8 And it came to pass that when the angel had spoken these words,
he saith unto me, Remember thou the covenants of the Father
unto the House of Israel? I saith unto ,him, yea.
14:9 And it came to pass that he saith unto me,
Look, and beheld that great and abominable church,
which is the mother of abominations, whose foundation is the devil.
We read about this church earlier in chapter 13. This church recieved
the
book from the mouth of the Jew according to the truth, but took many plain
and precious things from it.
14:10 And he saith unto me,
Behold, there is, save it be, two churches:
the one is the church of the Lamb of God,
and the other is the church of the Devil;
wherefore. whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God,
belongeth to that great church,
which is the mother of abominations;
and she is the whore of all the earth.
These two churches seem to parallel the contrast between the original
Jewish followers of Yeshua and the gentile Christian Church as shown in
chapter 13. The "church of the Devil" who is "the great whore" appears
to
be the church which gentilized the message in Chapter 13.
The "great whore" is clearly the great whore "Babylon" in Rev. 17
This takes us to Rev. 18:4 and the call:
"Come out of her, my people,..."
(see also Is. 48:20; 52:11; Jer. 50:8; 51:6, 45; Zech. 2:6-7; 2Cor. 6:17)
A call which also appears twice in the Book of Mormon:
"...Depart ye, Depart ye, go you out from thence,
touch not that which is unclean;
go you out of the midst of her..."
(3Nephi 20:41 also Is. 52:11)
"Go you forth of Babylon..."
(1Nephi 20:20 also Is. 48:20)
This leads us to 2Nephi 23-24 (also Is. 13-14) which details the judgement
of Babylon.
It is clear from 2Ne. 23:10 that this is a last days event. And who is
Babylon?
According to the Book of Mormon, as we have seen, it is the Gentile
Christian Church which has gentilized the message and taken the truth/Torah
from it.
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