James Trimm <jstrimm@h...> |
Date: Mon Aug 14, 2000 7:18
Subject: Re: [Book-Of-Mormon-Truth] Hidden Agendas
I would like to begin by apologizing if I have said anything that offended
I am a Jew who came to believe that Yeshua ("Jesus") was/is the Messiah of
and my saviour. That is where I am at. I accept the Tanak (Old Testament)
and the Ketuvim Netzarim (New Testament) as true. I have also studied the
BoM for many years and found a great deal of truth in it and although I
cannot say for certain that the BoM is true I will say that there is
certainly a good deal of truth in it.
Now because of my Jewish background and acceptance of Yeshua I have been
asked many times by many people to research the BoM. Having studied the
BoM I have found a great deal of truth in it. It has been my desire to
teach that truth to Book of Mormon believers from a Jewish perspective (see
2Ne. 25:5). This I believed would be mutually benificial. It would help
me as I continue to study the BoM myself and based on 2Ne. 25:5 it would
seem to be helpful to Book of Mormon believers as well.
Now there are forces out there who DO NOT WANT ME TEACHING THIS TRUTH.
There are people out there who actually run around minitoring me like a
These people lie in wait until I say something that they think they can use
to "prove" that I believe that the BoM is true and then use that to "expose
me" and discredit me with the mainline public claiming that I secretly
believe that the BoM is true.
Believe it or not these SAME people monitor me to catch me saying something
that can be used the "prove" that I do NOT believe the BoM is true and then
they use THAT to "expose me" and discredit me with BoM believers.
Personally I am sick of it and will not play their little game. The only
purpose of their efforts is to keep me from teaching the truth. They wish
to keep me from teaching the truth of the New Testament from a Jewish
perspective to non-BoM-believers by supposedly exposing me as a heretic
that believes in the BoM. They also wish to keep me from teaching the
truth that is in the BoM from a Jewish perspective to BoM believers by
exposing me as a person who rejects the BoM.
Many of these people are actually anti-Semites and their real goal is to
prevent the truth from being taught from a Jewish perspective.
And these people have put me under pressure to divert the issue from
and to take one side or the other for or against the BoM.
Now I admit that I have said many things which could be percieved as
indicating that I believe that the BoM is true. I also admit that I have
said many things which could be percieved as indicating that I think the
BoM is not true.
I will simply say that I am studying the BoM in depth and while I cannot
say that the BoM is true I will say that it contains a great deal of truth
and that I am open to teaching that truth from a Jewish perspective to
anyone who wishes to learn a Jewish perspective on these truths.
So will these people shut me up or will we continue to seek the truth that
is in the BoM?
One thing I wish to address. It was said of me:
>will also notice the denial of Jesus Christas Lord and Savior, calling
I fail to see how one follows the other. "Christianity" is a new religion
founded no EARLIER that 2,000 years ago. It resulted from an attempt to
mix the Torah based Judaism which Yeshua (Jesus) the Messiah (Christ)
taught with the Pagan Babylonian religion of Easter etc.
This is detailed in 1 Nephi 13:19-29. Then 1Nephi 14:10 says:
14:10 And he saith unto me,
Behold, there is, save it be, two churches:
the one is the church of the Lamb of God,
and the other is the church of the Devil;
wherefore. whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God,
belongeth to that great church,
which is the mother of abominations;
and she is the whore of all the earth.
These two churches seem to parallel the contrast between the original
Jewish followers of Yeshua and the gentile Christian Church as shown in
chapter 13. The "church of the Devil" who is "the great whore" appears to
be the church which gentilized the message in Chapter 13.
> I'm sure you will find this post to be very
>interesting, in understanding the tactics which are currently being used on
>this list by Mr. Trimm to bring about this hidden agenda.
I have no hidden agenda. My only desire here is to seek out truth in the
Book of Mormon.
I believe that that truth includes the truth that Torah is the basis for
Your brother in Yeshua the Messiah,
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