My reply to Bishop Kelly

Subject: Re: doctorate
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2000 15:01:14 -0500
From:  purnhrt <>
To: Webmaster <>
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Bishop Raymond Kelly,  James Trimm, for years, has been ambiguous
about the source of his doctorate. No organization or individual that he has
ever sited, knows of where this so called seminary is from.

An incident occurred about a month ago, in which I did some investigating into
the statements that James Trimm posted at several forums and even started a
website, under the name of Rabbi Yosef, advocating the Book of Mormon. The
woman who knew this to be true, through a phone call, was called a liar and a
slanderer by James Trimm and the vice-president of his organization, SANJ-
Society for the Advancement of Nazarene Judaism. This all occured earlier this

About a month ago, I received forwards from a forum, where people were being
rude to this woman and demanding that she put up the proof or shut her mouth.
Out of curiosity, I decided to see if there was any proof linking the two. I
found it right away, by using DNS numbers from the posts of Rabbi Yosef and
James Trimm. They were the same. Not only did he post as Rabbi Yosef, but also
as Yosef Liahona and Steve Cohen. All the posts under these names outright
advocate the BoM.

So I wrote the evidence up and posted it to the forum involved. My post was not
allowed by James Trimm, who owns the forum. So I sent all the information to
the Beit Din that he created, who he said he was accountable to. The next
morning I received an e-mail from James Trimm admitting that he had posted as
Rabbi Yosef and other names, but said that it was for academic reasons, and
that he was a member of the Religious Crisis Task Force, and he would
"infiltrate" various forums, seeking to prevent other Waco's from happening. He
sited his doctorate and that he had special hours for this type of research.

I contacted Dr. Phillip Arnold in Houston. He said that the Religious Crisis
Task Force was basically dormant, but could be resurrected if an agency called
on them for help. He also stated that James Trimm was not doing that work for
them, but it had to be for his own studies.

So I have been seeking the source of his doctorate. I received an e-mail from
Professor John Tvedtnes at BYU, stating that he checked this out over a ayear
ago and found that it came from a diploma mill. I got an e-mail from Dr. James
Tabor, from University of North Carolina, at Charlotte, who said that James did
not have a doctorate and he had warned him to stop saying that he did. That if
he had a certificate, it was probably from a diploma mill.

I have written to James Trimm, asking him the address of this seminary and he
refuses to answer. Other people, including **********, who wrote to you,
have also asked him. He refuses to answer. Then when I posted this information
to my site, calling him to accountability for his numberous lies and slander,
he sends out an e-mail to his lists, stating that it is from y'all. But again,
does not list any addresses to verify this information. So I am writing to see
what can be found.

If you would like to see what he wrote about his connection with y'all, you may
see it at this location.
If you have any other questions, I would be more than happy to answer them.
Kathryn Olenick

Webmaster wrote:

> Ms. Olenick:
> I have replied to a similar inquiry from Mr. Trimm and to a Rav Mikha'el.
> None, including yours, has included the courtesy of an explanation of why
> you are seeking this information.
> Before I comment further, I believe it appropriate that I be informed as to
> what is prompting this inquiry.
> In general, we could not comment further on this under the present
> circumstances.
> Bishop Raymond Kelly
> Chancellor of CACINA.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: purnhrt []
> Sent: Sunday, August 06, 2000 10:12 AM
> To:
> Subject: doctorate
> I am writing to confirm some information that I received. I was told, by
> a James Trimm, that he received his doctorate from, "An Ecumenical
> Seminary of the Catholic Apostolic Church in North America. Which is the
> authentic representative of The "Igreja Catolica Apostolica Brasileira"
> (the Catholic Apostolic Church of Brazil)" He states that the name of
> the Seminary is the St. John Chrysostom Theological Seminary, and lists
> a Bishop Don De Cordova as the executive for that seminary. Can you tell
> me if you have this seminary as part of your organization, and how can I
> reach it (such as an address and phone number) and if a doctorate was
> earned by a James Scott Trimm, in Semitic Studies. I'd also like to know
> how to reach the Bishop Don De Cordova. Thank you so much for your time,
> and any information you might be able to provide. Kathryn Olenick