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From:  "James " <Naz30@j...>
Date:  Mon Jun 12, 2000  2:42 pm
Subject:  Re: Nasareans, Nazarenes and Torah Observance


You are constantly rearranging words to suite your agenda. Sometimes
Law translates to Torah and sometimes it translates to Pentateuch ...
whichever suits your present needs.

When you quote Epiphanious, you only use what suits you and separate
the rest with ... (not that Epiphanious is an authority).

Different authors, often speaking with different accents and even
languages, did not employ any form of universal spelling when
speaking of Nazarenes. Hence one finds Nazareans, Nasorenes,
Nazorenes, Nazaroi, Nazareaen, Nazarites, N'Tzrim, etc.

James Trimm <jstrimm@h...> wrote:
> B'nai Or,
> Some on the list have Nazarenes and Nasareans confused.
> I went and looked up Epiphanious Panarion on the Nasareans
> the "s" not Nazarenes). Regarding the Nasareans he says:
> They are Jewish by race, ...
> They.. keep all the Jewish observances,...
> for they had circumcision in the same way,
> kept the same Sabbath, and held the same festivals...
> The Pentateuch itself, however, they did not accept,
> although they acknowledged Moses and believed
> he had recieved a set of laws. ... So they keep all of the
> observances, but did not sacrifice or partake of animal
> Looks like they kept ALL of the Jewish law except the anmial
> The original Jewish followers of Yeshua as Messiah was an ancient
> sect know
> as the Nazarenes ( (Acts 11:19; 24:5). The "church father" Jerome
> Cent.) described these Nazarenes as those
> "...who accept Messiah in such a way
> that they do not cease to observe the old Law."
> (Jerome; On. Is. 8:14).
> The fourth century "church father" Epiphanius gives a more detailed
> description:
> But these sectarians... did not call themselves
> Christians--but "Nazarenes," ... However they are
> complete Jews. They use not only the New Testament but
> the Old Testament as well, as the Jews do... They
have no
> different ideas, but confess everything exactly as the
> Law proclaims it and in the Jewish fashion-- except
> their belief in Messiah, if you please! For they
> both the resurrection of the dead and the divine
> of all things, and declare that G-d is one, and that
his son is
> Y'shua the Messiah. They are trained to a nicety in
> For among them the entire Law, the Prophets, and
> Writings... are read in Hebrew, as they surely are
> by the Jews. They are different from the Jews, and
> different from Christians, only in the following. They
> disagree with Jews because they have come to faith in
> Messiah; but since they are still fettered by the
> Law--circumcision, the Sabbath, and the rest-- they
> are not in accord with Christians.... they are nothing
> but Jews....
> (Epiphanius; Panarion 29)
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