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ramshorn
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(3/9/03 9:27 pm)
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Has Dr. James Trimm ever visited here?
Hi everyone!

Just wondering..Has Dr. James Trimm ever visited this Forum? I know Dr. Michael Brown has. We have recently received an e-mail from a messianic site promoting Dr. Brown's new Messianic Prophecy Bible.

Thanks..ramshorn:smokin :hat :rolleyes

Yatziv Patgam
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(3/10/03 1:02 am)
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Trimm on PalTalk
Ask UriYosef what happened to Dr. James Trimm when he visited the Messiah Truth confrence room on Paltalk.

:rollin

UriYosef 
Educational Director
(3/10/03 1:12 am)
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Re: Has Dr. James Trimm ever visited here?
Greetings ramshorn -

To my knowledge, James Trimm has not posted here, at least not using this name. And, while Mike Brown does posess an earned doctorate from a well-known university, I don't think that one can say the same for James Trimm. Here is an interesting reference to this person - "Imposters' Gallery".

It is quite amazing that nowhere on the SANJ website, the organization headed by James Trimm, which includes information on their "yeshivah", no credentials are listed for it's leader and presumably the headmaster. I wonder why.

Peace,
UriYosef

PS - As to what Yatziv Patgam said, it actually took place on Trimm's "home turf", in the Messianic Q&A chat on PalTalk, into which I was invited to come and challenge him. With one simple question in simple Hebrew I demonstrated that James Trimm, who has claimed to be fluent in Hebrew and Aramaic, knew less Hebrew than the averge Israeli child in pre-school (i.e., 3-4 year old). Later, I also asked him to provide Hebrew Bible support to some theological issue that he was touting, and he quickly back-pedaled and admitted that no direct verses exist to support his claim but, when a bunch of verses are interpretted in a cetain way, they would support what he was claiming which, of course, was a bunch of nonsense.

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Edited by: UriYosef  at: 3/10/03 9:51:42 am
ramshorn
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(3/10/03 1:41 pm)
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That Interesting.
Hi UriYosef,

When I used to belong to a messianic forum, Mr. Trimm would "pop in" and then leave. He would never answer anyone's questions.

Usually he would just try to promote something then leave. At least Dr. Brown comes aboard and says something (whether its true or not), I give him some credit for that.

Anyway, by any chance do you remember the name of the Jewish man (Rabbi?), that was a guest on that show along with Dr. Brown and some other missionaires? I'm just curious to know his name. Thanks again.

Peace..ramshorn

Yatziv Patgam
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(3/10/03 7:46 pm)
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Re: That Interesting.
Shmuely Boteach?

Eliezer613
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(3/12/03 11:09 pm)
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James Trimm
B"H

Here is some more interesting info about James Trimm.
Pay careful attention to the comments on Mr. Trimm's Jewish background and his "doctorate".

home.flash.net/~purnhrt/truth/

Eli

UriYosef 
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(3/13/03 12:45 am)
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Re: James Trimm
Greetings Eliezer -

Thanks for that link. I've heard about Trimm's "Jewishness" and about his "Doctorate" via the "rumor mill", and that's why I didn't say anything more than what I wrote. The link confirms now what I suspected ever since I encountered him - he's a phony, yet he's got his following that probably keeps him in good financial shape...

Peace,
UriYosef

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Our raison d'ĂȘtre:

WHOSOEVER DESTROYS A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE IMPUTES [GUILT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD DESTROYED A COMPLETE WORLD; AND WHOSOEVER PRESERVES A SINGLE SOUL OF ISRAEL, SCRIPTURE ASCRIBES [MERIT] TO HIM AS THOUGH HE HAD PRESERVED A COMPLETE WORLD. (Babylonian Talmud, Tractate Sanhedrin, 37a)

The fruits of our effort:

The battle against spiritual terrorism is being won, one soul at a time!!!

ramshorn
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(3/13/03 2:31 pm)
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Thanks Eli!!!
Hi Eli,

Shalom, I read the articles you posted.. Man what deception that is out there!

Here I was dumb enough about 2 yrs. ago I went and bought his book "Hebraic-Roots Version" "New Testament"..Translated by James S. Trimm. It was very cheaply put together..it is already falling apart at the binding..but thats a good thing..I think I'll go burn it now.

Again thanks..it saddens my heart to see how blind I was and how the messianic message is still so profoundly preached....sad..sad..sad|I ..ramshorn

NewJewess
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(3/14/03 11:27 am)
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don't burn it ramshorn
I think Trimm was a "sacred-namer" and if he wrote G-d's sacred name in his plagarized forgery it is still to be handled with respect, even thought the rest of the content is garbage. I am stuck with a "sacred name scripture that I have covered with paper and placed in the attic. I'm not sure if I have to bury it or not. Maybe one of the rabbis can answer?

RebMoshe
Outreach Coordinator
(3/14/03 12:15 pm)
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Re: don't burn it ramshorn
<I think Trimm was a "sacred-namer" and if he wrote G-d's sacred name in his plagarized forgery it is still to be handled with respect, even thought the rest of the content is garbage. I am stuck with a "sacred name scripture that I have covered with paper and placed in the attic. I'm not sure if I have to bury it or not. Maybe one of the rabbis can answer? >

Technically you should burn anything a heretic makes, even if the name is in it. But before you do that, I would appreciate a list of what you have, since it may contain something I could use. I have a good collection of works from many different messianics and Christians. It helps to know what they really think.

Edited by: Moshe at: 3/14/03 12:16:26 pm
ramshorn
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(3/14/03 12:41 pm)
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Re. don't burn it.
Shalom everyone:)

To the ref. made about the translation from James Trimm, my wife told me to hang on to it for now..since she bought for us. I also have "The Scriptures" which I think we'll keep...but what about all the KJV's, NIV's, NKJV's ect ect..? Some of the paperbook Bibles we tried tearing out the NT and giving them to the kids.

I would hate giving them to missionaries since they'll just use it to promote their message:\ .....ramshorn

NewJewess
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(3/17/03 11:03 am)
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RebMoshe, a list of what I have...left...
RebMoshe, I do not have much left as I gave books away to a group we were involved with for a while. We had Moshe Kunichowsky's writing "The Truth About All Israel: An M.I.A. answer to M.J.A. refutations" (or something like that) Basically, it was MK's thoughts on who the Israelites really were, and who the "remnant" is today. He insists that the 10 lost tribes are current day christians. Another book we had was "In Search of Israel" by Batya Wooten who along with her husband Angus Wooten and M. Kunichowsky formed Messianic Israel Alliance. The two works are pretty much related, MK uses Batya's book as a reference in his refutation paper.
The only thing I have left is "The Scriptures" published by the Institute for Scriptural Research in South Africa.

When I gave these two books away, I slipped in a CD I made from e-mails sent to me by a former christian minister who studied Hebrew, learned the truth, made teshuva and is/has converted. It concerned the christian theory of the Melchizadek Priesthood and he used the TaNaKh to disprove the christian theory. The Melkizedek priesthood was a "big thing" with the "elected rabbi" of the group we were in.
I e-mailed Rabbi Schulman almost a month ago asking for advice on how to get our friends in this group to understand the truth and come out of what they are doing, but I know he is very busy. I feel responsible for getting them into this situation, I was the one who found Kunichowsky's site. So far, they have only been attracting other christians to their group. They weren't satisfied with just coming over our house on Shabbat to study and find the truth on our own, they wanted a church congregation desperately. The worst mistake my husband and I made was partially financing the youngest guy and his wife to go to Kunichowsky's conference in Wilkes-Barre Pennsylvania in the summer of 2001. A month after the conference, we left the group. Kunichowsky bragged about converting a Jewish man and his son to his fraudulent group during the conference. I don't remember the man's name, only that he was the manager (or one of) of the hotel where the conference was held. I think it was the Marriott Hotel? I'd like to contact the manager and let him know he made a big mistake, but as for tracking him down through the hotel---I don't want to bring unnecessary attention to him.
Kunichowsky's "gig" was that if you were not born a Jew, then you are and Israelite, of the 10 lost tribes---and you are not a messianic Jew, but a messianic Israelite! When he split from the Wootens in early spring 2001 (ironically at my husband's direction!:lol ) he put up a new site apart from "yati" called www.2house.org he posted the "doctrine" of virgin birth, trinity etc. When I checked the site after the young couple returned from the conference and learned of his christian doctrine, we tried telling the group it was wrong, gave them loads of information and proof and they just threw back at us new testament quotes. We gave up trying and left them to their own endeavors.
One thing I find funny (or obnoxious, I'm not sure) is they go to great lengths to keep kosher, wear kippot all the time, not shave AT ALL, wear tzitzit, etc., but they do that which is most contrary to Judaism---they still pray to JC and falsely believe JC is G-d or G-d's "virgin-born" son! What is the point in manifesting certain mitzvot on the OUTSIDE if you don't manifest the most important one on the INSIDE?

NewJewess
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(3/17/03 11:54 am)
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RebMoshe, found another book
I almost forgot, I have another book called "Fossilized Customs", the pagan source of popular customs. by Lew White. This is a messianic nazarene israelite perspective (in Lew White's own words. It is great for exposing the pagan background of christianity, but the guy still can't come completely out of the church. He uses the paleo-Hebrew for the tetragrammon and makes up a paleo-hebrew name for jesus by using the tetragrammon as a prefix and using the ending "shua". He says the meaning of the name is "Yah is salvation".

I find it funny (disturbing) that he says that the dying sun-god redeemer is rooted in Babylon and is sun-worship and magic; but he thinks that if you change jesus's name to a hebraic sounding name then it makes it alright! Like saying the christianized jesus is wrong, but the Jewish jesus is right.:eek
We also had "Come Out Of Her, My People", by Chris Koster, but we gave that away a couple years ago. That book along with "The Two Babylons", by Rev. Alexander Hislop got our attention and brought us uot of christianity (for the 6 months that we were "in" it:p )

Two Babylons is on the web for anyone who is interested

RebMoshe
Outreach Coordinator
(3/17/03 1:52 pm)
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Re: RebMoshe, found another book
<I almost forgot, I have another book called "Fossilized Customs", the pagan source of popular customs. by Lew White.>

I have had that book mentioned to me. I have never seen it.

Edited by: Moshe at: 3/17/03 1:57:24 pm
ramshorn
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(3/17/03 9:38 pm)
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Speaking of books
Shalom NewJewess and others,

I too have all the books you mentioned. It seems we have a lot in common.:) I am very familiar with Bayta and Angus wootten.. I also have besides "Who is Israel" I also have "Restoring Israel's Kingdom".

I was wondering if you have ever heard of Eddie Chumney? Especially his book called "Restoring The Two Houses Of Israel?

I used to embrace these teachings and I think the mainstream of the messianic movement know about these authors I have mentioned.

I was just curious if Nakdimion or Dr. Brown have ever heard of these authors? I'm sure Dr James Trimm won't respond...It would be nice to hear a response from them.

Be well and be safe in the midst of everything that is transpiring in this world of ours....ramshorn

NewJewess
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(3/17/03 11:18 pm)
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speaking of books
Chag Saeach ramshorn, Yes, we have heard of Eddie Chumney and his book about restoring the two houses of Israel. I didn't read it, but I got the gist of it from his other articles. I think he had a point, to a certain degree. I think that some day the two kingdoms will reunite (metaphorically speaking). The so-called lost tribes are formerly known as Ephraim and Ephraim ALWAYS went after strange g-ds. The "lost tribe" that was located on the border of Myanmar recently, kept the mitzvot that were passed down through the generations and never heard of jesus. Modern day christians keep what they believe to be the 10 Commandments as written, but not the rest of the law that fits each of the 10 categories. People ARE coming out of symbolic Ephraim and reuniting with Judah, it is happening slowly but surely. It will probably take another 500 years for them to figure it out. Eras tend to last about 500 years +/- before they come to an end and a new era takes its place. So, christians are symbolically part of the 10 lost tribes in that they are separated from G-d and are "lost".

Fletch8
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(3/18/03 7:53 am)
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Ephraim
Hi NewJewess,

<i>I think that some day the two kingdoms will reunite (metaphorically speaking).</i>

Ezekiel 37 and Hosea 1 are only metaphoric?

<i>The so-called lost tribes are formerly known as Ephraim and Ephraim ALWAYS went after strange g-ds.</i>

I agree, please hold that thought.

<i>The "lost tribe" that was located on the border of Myanmar recently, kept the mitzvot that were passed down through the generations and never heard of jesus.</i>

Not quite the "MO" of Ephraim which you just told us of.

<i> Modern day christians keep what they believe to be the 10 Commandments as written, but not the rest of the law that fits each of the 10 categories.</i>

web.archive.org/web/20010...ah_24.html shows what is done with the Law by a world wide religion. Do my examples fit?

<i>People ARE coming out of symbolic Ephraim and reuniting with Judah, it is happening slowly but surely. It will probably take another 500 years for them to figure it out. Eras tend to last about 500 years +/- before they come to an end and a new era takes its place. So, christians are symbolically part of the 10 lost tribes in that they are separated from G-d and are "lost".</i>

The great day of Jezreel does not translate into a slow 500 year +/- era nor do your population descriptions square with Hosea 1:10.

Thanks,
Fletch

NewJewess
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(3/19/03 10:12 am)
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thank you Fletch8
Wow Fletch8, take it easy.;) It was my fault for not expressing myself properly.Yes, I do believe that both kingdoms will be reunited someday. But, I should have said the metaphoric northern kingdom. People who are believed to be some of the lost tribes have been located, have been converted by the chief rabbinate (?) in Israel and have made aliyah. Modern day christians are coming out of the church slowly, and either converting or becoming b'nei noach. The reuniting has already started and I believe it will continue on its stated course. Will there be some cosmic event that will happen in the future, all at once, that will bring back the remnant of the northern kingdom? Will those practicing idolatry understand this event and come back to the One True G-d, or will they attribute it to jesus because of the brainwashing that was done to them by their pastors? How shall I put this in better words; will ALL christians repent and return, or will only those who open their eyes and their hearts do so and the rest be destroyed? Fully half the world population is either christian or muslim. The other 2.8 billion, will they understand the event or will they attribute it to their "savior"?
As for the "eras", it depends on what you perceive to be the "end times". Christians believe it to be some magical complete end to the world as we know it with jesus riding in on the back of the Hale-Bopp comet or something, they're waiting for the rapture bus to come and fly them away to heaven! I believe that something will happen that will cause a great majority of idolaters (the ones who haven't converted already) to reject their faith and come to worship the One True G-d in the proper manner. The world will still be around and the righteous will enjoy it. Will it happen in my lifetime? I don't know, but I pray it does. Many "eras" have come and gone over the course of recorded history. Many civilizations have died out or been absorbed into other civilizations. Only Judaism (as far as I know) has endured through all those eras. So these "end times" can very well be the passing of the "christian era" and the elevation and beginning of the messianic era. (no, I'm not talking messy-antic jews >D )
I enjoyed the link you posted, I'd like to pass it along to my neighbors who are messianic "israelites", as they call themselves. Maybe this would get them to see the christianity in their beliefs. Thank you very much Fletch8, I stand corrected;)



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