Subject: Re: 6 steps
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:10:08 -0600
From: Michael Detwiler <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: purnhrt <email@example.com>
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You obviously mis-interpret me. I am not goading or setting you up.
I am (at this moment) studying
Devarim 1:16-17. Thin I commanded your judges at that time, saying, Hear the cases between your
brethern, and judge righteously between a man and his brother or the stranger who is with him. You
shall not show partiality in judgment; you shall hear the small as well as the gret; you shall not be afraid
in any mans presence, for the Jeugment is Elohims."
I am not sure that I understand your grievances. That is why I want you
to specifically list them. I am the
Rosh Beit Din. I set the agenda. I bring the issues forward, and I will in your case.
Other comments inserted below in BLUE.
At 01:37 AM 7/26/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Michael, I do not know what is going on. I dont like being taken advantage
>of, or played with. I dont know whether you are being genuine or if you guys are
>playing good cop/bad cop with me. I did not care for your first e-mail to me, when you
>responded to my first forum mailing. It was arrogant. But these e-mails are written
I am just as "arrogant" as ever, Kathryn. However, you are not being played with. I am the bad cop,
really. I dont know who the good cop is . . .
>I do have a question and I would like you to answer me
honestly. You and
>Steve have both asked me to list out what my grievances are. I have told both of you
>that Idid that in my last e-mail to the Beit Din. Asking if you guys have even
>read it. You ask me again, in this e-mail. Did y'all (or you) read them? Or did you just
>delete them and thats why you need a list?
O.K. if you want to submit what you
have written, I can find the complaints. I will itemize them and
submit them to James, Eric, Luana, Yeshiyahu, Michael Calpino, and the three new beit din members.
Hartley is no longer with us.
>James is the head of this Beit Din. I am the head of the Beit Din
He has refused to apologize and post a retraction.
Retraction of what?
Steve has just said that it is closed. That leaves only
>members besides yourself. I have not heard from Hartly at all, and Eric has
>silent, but involved with the forum mess, so that makes me feel that he cant be
>trusted to deal with this situation. Calpino and Fabry cant vote.
No, but we consider their opinions.
So, I see two
>against, one suspect for against, one I dont know, and you, saying that you
>submit this to the Beit Din. The odds of my getting any investigation,
>a retraction dont look too good from this Beit Din.
Wait and see
>If this is being done as a diversion or to stall things, that is just going
>to piss me off. I have waited for over 2 weeks now, since the first lies against me
>began to be posted. I will not wait months.
What are the lies?
>Michael you may not have intended for that to refer to
me, but that is the way
>people are taking it. I have gotten forwards of it, with people asking have I seen
>what is being said about me. How else could they possibly take it when James
>sends out to his list, what he thinks will discredit me, only to have it blow up i
>his face and look worse for him. He states that he is still not exchanging
>lashon hara with me, but.... Then he starts a thread at the forum on lashon hara, an
>obvious aim at me. Then Fabry posts her hate comment and you your pride one. Whether
>you intended it or not, that is how it looks.
I think it only looks that way to you. I will go back to the start up of the Lashon hara thing and look it
One person told me that y'all probably avoided my name because
you were afraid I would do another
mailing about it.
No one is afraid of you doing another mailing. AND, the person who said that is stirring up strife, and is
probably committing lashon hara.
>I am not a proud person, except in matters of my faith. I am not arrogant or
>hateful or vindictive. I am not a trouble maker. All my friends have said
>that I am
>the most faithful and trustworthy person they know. That I would go into
>defend an injustice, that I can be counted on in the worst of situations. My
>and personal friends are shocked at what has been written about me. My name and
>reputation are very important to me. I have earned the respect of those that
>me. To have my name so defiled by lies and slander is horrible. I cannot
>impress upon you the importance I place on truth and righteousness. That is
>have been so grieved over James Trimm's behavior and the seeming lack of
>from the Beit Din. I am nothing to y'all.
You are important, as you are an akhoti, a sister in Messiah.
My name means nothing, my reputation
>means nothing. James Trimm is somebody to y'all and his name and reputation
>something to you. But there is a matter of what is righteousness here.
Truth is righteousness. Interpretation is speculation. We will seek the truth. Will you hear it? Really,
we have nothing against you, are not retributive, etc.
>Are you familar with the history in Shoftiym, of the Lewiy that had his
>raped by some evil men of Benyamin, who wanted him instead. The owner of the
>they were staying at, even offered to send out his virgin daughter, but the men
>wanted the Lewiy. After being abused all night, the concubine crawls to the
>and dies. The Lewiy takes her body and takes it home. He cuts it up into 12
>and send one to each of the tribes of Yisrael. The tribes said that there
>been seen the like of this since they came up out of Mitsrayim. They gather
>together and ask what happened. The Lewiy recounts the events. They decide
>to go up
>and get the evil men that were responsible. Benyamin refuses to turn over
>responsible. So then a war breaks out against Benyamin and the other tribes of
>Yisrael. Benyamin was almost wiped out. Only 600 men survived. All the women
>children had been killed. All because they sought to protect men who had done
>Now, I am in no way saying that James Trimm is a sodomite or a rapist. What
>likening is the fact that I sent to you, the Beit Din, about this matter. No
>headed my cry for justice. So I cut this matter up and sent it out to the Beyth
>Yisrael for justice. James should not have done what he did. The Beit Din
>have addressed this situation before. Does it need to come to a war, within the
>Beyth, before justice is done? And what will be left afterwards? What will
>of SANJ and y'all for protecting this unrighteousness?
We seek to be blameless and seek to be just in our positions and our life.