James Trimm part 2

Subject:  Anti-Semitc? part 2
Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:30:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: James Trimm <jstrimm@home.com>
To: purnhrt@flash.net
 
 
 

And now the things Kathryn posted in Support of Pete's paper and Dan's book
"Christianity Unmasqued":

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 posted 08-17-1999 09:25 PM

 I would like to post a rebuttal to James Trimm's slanderous accusations,
against Pete Vacca and Dan Chaput. First off, Pete Vacca was not even there
at the conference. He sent his speech, with another member of the Assembly,
since he could not be there. Therefore, the paper was read, exactly as it
was written and Pete could not explain, defend or correct any
misconceptions, that listeners might have had.
 Second, the the paper was on green ears verses the equinox, to determine
the month of Abib. Pete Vacca's contention was with the Karaites determing
of the month of Abib, in the manner they did this year. I am getting a copy
of this paper, and any one who wants to know exactly what was read, can
find out. Not quotes taken out of context, without questioning the author.
 Which brings me to my third point, concerning James's slander of Pete.
Pete told me that James Trimm and He have never even met. James is making
comments about a man, on public forums and over listservers, when he does
not even know him personally.
 Concerning Dan, and the book Christianity Unmasked, again, Dan was not
approached by James to clarify or question anything. They also have not met
or spoken to each other.
 Chapter 12 of this book, is about Judeo-Christianity. It states that the
term is an oxymoron. Christianity is against Judaism, therefore you cannot
use that term for believers of Yahuweh/Yhwhists. It is incongruous. Dan
stated, not knowing if James read the whole book, that James took the parts
that he might have read, out of context. The book is about Christianity,
not Judaism. Chapter 12 also, defines Semetic. This involvs ALL the
descendants of SHEM. That includes Aram, Ashshur, Persia, and since Abraham
was Semetic, then Ishmael, would also be Semetic. THe term anti-semetic
does not mean against Jews alone.
 Both of these men stated that James did not contact them to talk with them
before he publicly spread his slander. Both stated that he never came to
them, as a brother in Yahuweh, about this matter. He went against Torah and
slandered them.
 Both of these men are Torah observant. THey follow True Torah. They walk
in the ways of Yahuweh. They do make a distinction between that which is
Torah of Yahuweh and that which is Talmud and Tradition of Judaism. They
follow what is in Scripture. THis does not make them anti-semetic; anti-
mens traditions, maybe, but not anti-semetic.
 What I would like to know James, is why, having come from a unity
conference, you sought to divide the Yhwhistic community in this fashion,
by slandering men you have not even spoken to, on these matters?

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 posted 08-25-1999 03:18 PM

 James you left out the quote by Jew concerning themselves.
 "Consider the quote from a Jewish author, 'You make much noise and fury
about the undue Jewish influence in your theaters and movie palaces. Very
good; granted your complaint is well-founded. But what is that compared to
our staggering influence in your churches, your schools, your laws, and
your governments, and the very thoughts you think everyday?' This statement
was made in 1928 by Marcus Eli Ravage in Century Magazine, Feb. 1928, p.
347."

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Now Kathryn's Website says:

As to the material posted toward Dan Chaput, I addressed the issues in the
other posts. I have never endorsed Dan's book. I read chapter 12, and... I
think things could have been worded better, ....

James immediately tried to get Dan removed from his position as US
distributor of the ISR Scriptures. I contacted them and let them know of
the forum and what was taking place. To my knowledge their has not been a
reconciliation between Dan and James. But ISR investigated the situation.
Dan is still a distributor of ISR publications.

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MY COMMENTARY:

 Kathry said of Pete and Dan:

        Chapter 12 also, defines Semetic. This involvs
        ALL the descendants of SHEM. That includes Aram,
        Ashshur, Persia, and since Abraham was Semetic,
        then Ishmael, would also be Semetic. THe term anti-semetic
        does not mean against Jews alone.

Here you seem to buy into the Anti-Semite definition of Anti-Semitism
which Dan gives but which is not accurate (just look up the word
"anti-semite" in the dictionary)

You also said:

        Both of these men are Torah observant. THey follow True Torah.
        They walk in the ways of Yahuweh. They do make a distinction
        between that which is Torah of Yahuweh and that which is
        Talmud and Tradition of Judaism. They follow what is in Scripture.
        This does not make them anti-semetic; anti- mens traditions,
        maybe, but not anti-semetic. ...

(off topic at the conference Dan wore not tzitzit and scoffed at my wearing
tzitzit.)

As I have shown Dan's book goes WAY beyond being anti-Talmud and
anti-Tradition of Judaism.  He teaches that:

        Jews are the synagogue of Satan,

        run the world

        and are the literal unredeemable seed of Satan.

Now since you do not to seem to acknowledge that these things are anti
Semitic, you in general seemed to defend Dan's book as not anti-semitic I
was led to believe that you are yourself an anti-semite.  In fact you
quoted and used Dan's anti-semite definition of anti-semite in your post.
Moreover rather than says that the IDEA that:

        Jews are the synagogue of Satan,

        run the world

        and are the literal unredeemable seed of Satan.

are anti-semitic IDEAS  you seem to say that the book which teaches them is
NOT anti-semitic
and that it should be better worded.  These ideas are anti Semitic
REGARDLESS of how they are worded.

OK I will now let you "straighten me out" and let me know where I have
"gone wrong"
with this thinking.

Perhaps if you could resure me that you find these ideas anti-semitic
REGARDLESS
of how they are worded.
 
 
 
 
 
 

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