Subject: (No Subject)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:00:22 -0400
I dont know about y'all at this forum, but
I value truth and honesty
to be matters of righteousness. I have been reading through these posts
and I have several questions.
First, I'd like to know if anyone else has
noticed that James Trimm
did not answer the question directly posed by [Mrs. H.],
as to whether or not he was Rabbi Yosef. I saw him sidestep, but not
answer yes or no.
On post 39774, titled for the record, on 7-1-2000,
he states, "I do
NOT advocate Mormonism or the Book of Mormon." Yet he does not answer
the question of whether or not he is Rabbi Yosef, yet he claims to be
setting the record straight. I will get back to this in a minute.
Next [Mrs. H.] pleaded for someone at the Nazarene
Beit Din to
look at the evidence and if they determined that the BoM was not worth
looking into, then to clean their own house, since she is being
accused of certain opinions, yet Rabbi Yosef voices these opinions,
and if James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef, then he needs to be treated as
such, if that is the halakah of the Beit Din. If they accept
Trimm/Yosef saying this, then they need to get off of [Mrs. H.] for the
same views. I have not seen any response from the Beit Din here
addressing this matter.
Now, to Adam Bernay, you wrote to [Mrs. H.]
, when she posted a
conversation between Rabbi Yosef asking her husband to take over the
forum and be Rabbi Yosef, that "any noodnick with a computer" could
write that, that it had no routing information. I am glad that you
are a little familiar with routing information. You demanded, quite
rudely I might add, that she "prove this accusation or else *SHUT YOUR
MOUTH*. You then went on to say that she "sounded like an ignoramous
that no one should listen to." That you "respected Dr. Trimm for his
scholarship and wisdom." I ask you Adam Bernay to think of this as you
further read what I post.
The problem with this situation is a matter
of proof, is it not? I do
not know [Mrs. H.], nor do I know Rabbi Yosef. I have not even
read the Book of Mormon. But my curiosity began when I heard a plea from
a woman begging for an investigation to prove the truth. That to me
sounded like something to look into, so I did. Remember I said earlier,
that I value truth and honesty as righteousness. That is the
reason that I spent hours pouring over this and several other forums
related here. Here, Adam Bernay and any other person that wanted
proof is the proof.
All e-mails have DNS numbers attached to them.
You cant see them on
your received e-mails, unless you select view and set it for -show
ALL headers. Then you will be able to see the DNS numbers. A DNS number
is a Domain Name Server number. It consists of 4 groups of numbers
separated by dots, for example 123.456.78.90. Each one of you has one.
If you send e-mails from different locations, then you might
have several. The point is, at each of these posts, you have a view
source tab. If you click on that, you will see the page source for the
post. In the case of this nazarene forum and any other originating with
nazarene.net, you will see 220.127.116.11, or 18.104.22.168 is
another nazarene number I found. The first two groups of numbers are
the important ones. The first group of numbers lists your master name
server, or root domain. That number is assigned by the Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority - IANA. The second group lists the Primary server and
then the secondary server. The two following groups are random, as your
server tries to locate the next closest, direct path in the destination.
The last number is your host number. I can send myself 10 e-mails and
the last two goups of numbers will vary, some of them repeating. All
emails on this forum are sent to Nazarene.net and then get routed here.
That is why you will see the same number for every person. If a person
sends an e-mail to a mail account, such as hotmail, they list the
hotmail numbers and then list the originating numbers. It is the first
two groups of numbers that determine origin. This system works much
like addressing an envelope for mail. It is sent from the largest
source, being your state, to the next largest, your city, then your zip
code, then your address and finally your name. A similar principle
applies with DNS numbers. If you have an address resolving program you
can search theres strings.
Ah, but nazarene.net doesnt control all the
forums. That is where the
evidence comes in. The following is a list of each forum I checked
and what I found between James Trimm, Rabbi Yosef ben Yehudah and
guess what, another name - Yosef Liahona. Now that one caught my eye
since in doing a web search for Rabbi Yosef, I came across a Mormon web
site that had a quote from an e-mail that he sent them. It was about
the semetics of the word- liahona. After reading that and finding the
other forums, I decided to check that name out too, when I saw it. He
crops up, just as Rabbi Yosef is leaving. Pay attention to the dates and
go to view source to confirm what I am writing.
last time posted
11-5-99 hotmail 22.214.171.124
first time posted
11-16-99 hotmail 209-185-241-42
last time posted
10-15-99 hotmail 209-185-241-173
last time posted
11-9-99 hotmail 126.96.36.199
10-26-99 hotmail 188.8.131.52
12-4-99 hotmail 184.108.40.206
So of the four forums that are not controlled
by nazarene.net, and
you can view the origins, I have just now proven, which any noodnick
with a computer, a DNS program, and some time could have done, that James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahona. Rabbi Yosef ben Yehudah disappears from these forums in 11-1999, at which point Yosef Liahona appears, quoting from the same sources, which are the Book of Mormon. James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahona up to the fall of 1999. James Trimm goes through a hotmail account to post for these two names. Now if he posts under other
names, I did not check. I was concerned more with the focus of Rabbi Yosef.
Now, these proofs have been presented. [Mrs.
H.] is not a liar,
she did not slander. James Trimm avoided answering but by sidestepping
and saying that he does not advocate the BoM or Mormonism, yet he has
written and advocated them as Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahon.
I believe an apology is due [Mrs. H.], especially
Trimm, the Beit Din, and Adam Bernay. And if this is not enough
evidence, I am compiling more, not from the forum.
I tried to post this post on 7-1-2000, and it was not allowed
to go through. I since then sent it and the printed out pages that I sited here,
to the members of the Beit Din and the Friends of the Court, on 7-3-2000, since
they were trying [Mrs. H.] and her husband, in this matter. The next morning,
7-4-2000, I received an e-mail from James Trimm admitting that he was Rabbi
Yosef and particiaped at numerous forums, including Mormon, Branch Davidian
and Muslim, under various names. Kathryn email@example.com