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 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 12:00:22 -0400
  From: tahorah@netscape.net
  To: nazarene@nazarene.net

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   I dont know about y'all at this forum, but I value truth and honesty
   to be matters of righteousness. I have been reading through these posts
   and I have several questions.

   First, I'd like to know if anyone else has noticed that James Trimm
   did not answer the question directly posed by [Mrs. H.],
   as to whether or not he was Rabbi Yosef. I saw him sidestep, but not
   answer yes or no.

   On post 39774, titled for the record, on 7-1-2000, he states, "I do
   NOT advocate Mormonism or the Book of Mormon." Yet he does not answer
   the question of whether or not he is Rabbi Yosef, yet he claims to be
   setting the record straight. I will get back to this in a minute.

   Next [Mrs. H.] pleaded for someone at the Nazarene Beit Din to
   look at the evidence and if they determined that the BoM was not worth
   looking into, then to clean their own house, since she is being
   accused of certain opinions, yet Rabbi Yosef voices these opinions,
   and if James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef, then he needs to be treated as
   such, if that is the halakah of the Beit Din. If they accept
   Trimm/Yosef saying this, then they need to get off of [Mrs. H.] for the
   same views. I have not seen any response from the Beit Din here
   addressing this matter.

   Now, to Adam Bernay, you wrote to [Mrs. H.] , when she posted a
   conversation between Rabbi Yosef asking her husband to take over the
   forum and be Rabbi Yosef, that "any noodnick with a computer" could
   write that, that it had no routing information. I am glad that you
   are a little familiar with routing information. You demanded, quite
   rudely I might add, that she "prove this accusation or else *SHUT YOUR
   MOUTH*. You then went on to say that she "sounded like an ignoramous
   that no one should listen to." That you "respected Dr. Trimm for his
   scholarship and wisdom." I ask you Adam Bernay to think of this as you
   further read what I post.

   The problem with this situation is a matter of proof, is it not? I do
   not know [Mrs. H.], nor do I know Rabbi Yosef. I have not even
   read the Book of Mormon. But my curiosity began when I heard a plea from
   a woman begging for an investigation to prove the truth. That to me
   sounded like something to look into, so I did. Remember I said earlier,
   that I value truth and honesty as righteousness. That is the
   reason that I spent hours pouring over this and several other forums
   related here. Here, Adam Bernay and any other person that wanted
   proof  is the proof.

   All e-mails have DNS numbers attached to them. You cant see them on
   your received e-mails, unless you select view and set it for -show
   ALL headers. Then you will be able to see the DNS numbers. A DNS number
   is a Domain Name Server number. It consists of 4 groups of numbers
   separated by dots, for example  123.456.78.90. Each one of you has one.
   If you send e-mails from different locations, then you might
   have several. The point is, at each of these posts, you have a view
   source tab. If you click on that, you will see the page source for the
   post. In the case of this nazarene forum and any other originating with
   nazarene.net, you will see 207.159.141.183, or 216.62.113.210 is
   another nazarene number I found. The first two groups of numbers are
   the important ones. The first group of numbers lists your master name
   server, or root domain. That number is assigned by the Internet Assigned
   Numbers Authority - IANA.  The second group lists the Primary server and
   then the secondary server.  The two following groups are random, as your
   server tries to locate the next closest, direct path in the destination.
   The last number is your host number. I can send myself 10 e-mails and
   the last two goups of numbers will vary,  some of them repeating. All
   emails on this forum are sent to Nazarene.net and then get routed here.
   That is why you will see the same number for every person. If a person
   sends an e-mail to a  mail account, such as hotmail, they list the
   hotmail numbers and then  list the originating numbers. It is the first
   two groups of numbers  that determine origin. This system works much
   like addressing an envelope for mail. It is sent from the largest
   source, being your state, to the next largest, your city, then your zip
   code, then your address and finally your name. A similar principle
   applies with DNS numbers. If you have an address resolving program you
   can search theres strings.

   Ah, but nazarene.net doesnt control all the forums. That is where the
   evidence comes in. The following is a list of each forum I checked
   and  what I found between James Trimm, Rabbi Yosef ben Yehudah and
   guess  what, another name - Yosef Liahona. Now that one caught my eye
   since  in doing a web search for Rabbi Yosef, I came across a Mormon web
   site  that had a quote from an e-mail that he sent them. It was about
   the semetics of the word- liahona. After reading that and finding the
   other forums, I decided to check that name out too, when I saw it. He
   crops up, just as Rabbi Yosef is leaving. Pay attention to the dates and
   go to view source to confirm what I am writing.

   egroups -bom-messianic
   James Trimm
   12-7-99    151.164.30.25

   Yosef benYehudah
   last time posted
   11-5-99   hotmail 209.185.240.29
   origin    151.164.44.9

   Yosef Liahona
   first time posted
   11-16-99   hotmail  209-185-241-42
   origin  151.164.46.17

   egroups  m-kabbalah
   James Trimm
   12-22-99   151-164-30-26

   Yosef benYehudah
   last time posted
   10-15-99   hotmail  209-185-241-173
   origin  151.164.43.33

   egroups bom-archaeology
   James Trimm
   4-14-2000   151.164.30.26

   Yosef benYehudah
   last time posted
   11-9-99  hotmail  209.185.241.133
   origin 151.164.42.22

   egroups chofjclist
   James Trimm
   12-4-99  151-164-30-25

   Yosef benYehudah
   10-26-99  hotmail  209.185.241.145
   origin   151-164-45-50

   Yosef Liahona
   12-4-99  hotmail 209.185.241.97
   origin   151.164.42.198

   So of the four forums that are not controlled by nazarene.net, and
   you can view the origins, I have just now proven, which any noodnick
   with a computer, a DNS program, and some time could have done, that James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahona. Rabbi Yosef ben Yehudah disappears from these forums in 11-1999, at which point Yosef Liahona appears, quoting from the same sources, which are the Book of Mormon. James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahona up to the fall of 1999. James Trimm goes through a hotmail account to post for these two names. Now if he posts under other
names, I did not check. I was concerned more with the focus of Rabbi Yosef.

   Now, these proofs have been presented. [Mrs. H.] is not a liar,
   she did not slander. James Trimm avoided answering but by sidestepping
   and saying that he does not advocate the BoM or Mormonism, yet he has
   written and advocated them as Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahon.

   I believe an apology is due [Mrs. H.], especially from James
   Trimm, the Beit Din, and  Adam Bernay. And if this is not enough
   evidence, I am compiling more, not from the forum.

I tried to post this post on 7-1-2000, and it was not allowed to go through. I since then sent it and the printed out pages that I sited here, to the members of the Beit Din and the Friends of the Court, on 7-3-2000, since they were trying [Mrs. H.] and her husband, in this matter. The next morning, 7-4-2000, I received an e-mail from James Trimm admitting that he was Rabbi Yosef and particiaped at numerous forums, including Mormon, Branch Davidian and Muslim, under various names. Kathryn   purnhrt@flash.net