Subject: Questions
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 22:32:12 -0500
From: unibrow <unibrow@flash.net>
To: nazarene@nazarene.net

I dont know about y'all at this forum, but I value truth and honest
to be maters of righteousness. I have been reading through these posts
and I have several questions.

First, Id like to know if anyone else has noticed that James Trimmm
did not answer the question directly posed by [Mrs. H.]

(and by
the way, I am not her on another name. Unibrow is my sons computer.)
as to whether or not he was Rabbi Yosef. I saw him sidestep, but not
answer yes or no.

On post 39774, titled for the record, on 7-1-2000, he states, "I do
NOT advocate Mormonism or the Book of Mormon." Yet he does not answer
the question of whether or not he is Rabbi Yosef, yet he claims to be
setting the record straight. I will get back to this in a minute.

Next [Mrs. H.] pleaded for someone at the Nazarene Beit Din to
look at the evidence and if they determine that the BoM is not worth
looking into, then to clean their own house, since she is being
accused of certain opinions, yet Rabbi Yosef voices these opinions,
and if James trimm is Rabbi Yosef, then he needs to be treated as
such, if that is the halakah of the Beit Din. If they accept
Trimm/Yosef saying this, then they need to get off of [Mrs. H.] for the
same views. I have not seen any response from the Beit Din here
addressing this matter.

Now, to Adam Bernay, you wrote to [Mrs. H.], when she posted a
conversation between Rabbi Yosef asking her husband to take over the
forum and be Rabbi Yosef, that "any noodnick with a computer" could
write that, that it had no routing information. I am glad that you
are a little familiar with routing information. You demanded, quite
rudely I might add, that she "prove this accusation or else *SHUT YOUR
MOUTH*. You then went on to say that she "sounded like an ignoramous
that no one should listen to." That you "respected Dr. Trimm for his
scholarship and wisdom." I ask you Adam Bernay to think of this as
you further read what I post.

The problem with this situation is a matter of proof, is it not. I do
not know [Mrs. H.] , nor do I know Rabbi Yosef. I have not even
read the Book of Mormon. But my curiosity began when I heard a plea
from a woman begging for an investigation to prove the truth. That to
me sounded like something to look into, so I did. Remember I said
earlier, that I value truth and honest as righteousness. That is the
reason that I spent hours pouring over this and several other forum
related here. Here, Adam Bernay and any other person that wanted
proof  is the proof.

All e-mails have DNS numbers attached to them. YOu cant see them on
your received e-mails, unless you select view and set it for -show
ALL headers. THen you will be able to see the DNS numbers. A DNS number
is a Domain Name Server number. It consists of 4 groups of numbers
separated by dots, for example  123.456.78.90. Each one of you has
one. If you send e-mails from different locations, then you might
have several. THe point is, at each of these posts, you have a view
source tab. If you click on that, you will see the page source for the post.
In the case of this nazarene forum and any other originating with
nazarene.net, you will see 207.159.141.183 or 216.62.113.210 is
another nazarene number I found. The first two groups of numbers are
the important ones. The first group of numbers lists your location in
the world or US, for those of us here. THe second group lists the
location and what sever. The two following groups are random, as your
server tries to locate the next closest, direct path in the
destination. I can send myself 10 e-mails and the last two goups of
numbers will vary, but some will repeat. All emails on this forum are
sent to Nazarene .net and then get routed here. That is why you will see
the same number for every person. If a person sends an e-mail to a  mail
account, such as hotmail, they list the hotmail numbers and then  list
the originating numbers. It is the first two groups of numbers  that
determine origin.

Ah, but nazarene.net doesnt control all the forums. That is where the
evidence comes in. The following is a list of each forum I checked
and  what I found between James Trimm, Rabbi Yosef ben Yehudah and
huess  what, another name - Yosef Liahona. Now that one caught my eye
since  in doing a web search for Rabbi Yosef, I came across a Mormon web
site  that had a quote from an e-mail that he sent them. It was about
the semetics of the word- liahona. After reading that and finding the  other
forums, I decided to check that name out too, when I saw it. He  crops
up, just as Rabbi Yosef is leaving. Pay attention to the dates  and go
to view source to confirm what I am writing.

egroups -bom-messianic
James Trimm
12-7-99    151.164.30.25

Yosef benYehudah
last time posted
11-5-99   hotmail 209.185.240.29
origin    151.164.44.9

Yosef Liahona
first time posted
11-16-99   hotmail  209-185-241-42
 

egroups  m-kabbalah
James Trimm
12-22-99   151-164-30-26

Yosef benYehudah
last time posted
10-15-99   hotmail  209-185-241-173
origin  151.164.43.33

egroups bom-archaeology
James Trimm
4-14-2000   151.164.30.26

Yosef benYehudah
last time posted
11-9-99  hotmail  209.185.241.133
origin 151.164.42.22

So of the three forums that are not controlled by nazarene.net, and
you can view the origins, I have just now proven, which any noodnick
with a computer, a DNS program, and some time could have done. Rabbi
Yosef ben Yehudah disappears from these forums in 11-1999, at which
point Yosef Liahona appears, quoting from the same sources, which are
the Book of Mormon. James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahona up
to  the fall of 1999. James Trimm goes through a hotmail account to post
for these two names. Now if he posts under other names, I did not
check. I was concerned more with the focus of Rabbi Yosef.

Now, these proofs have been presented. [Mrs. H.] is not a liar,
she did not slander. James Trimm avoided answering but by sidestepping
and saying that he does not advocate the BoM or Mormonism, yet he has
written, advocating them as Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahon.

Now what I find interesting, is that with all the questions of Rabbi
Yosef, and his disappearance, Rav Mikhael, who [Mrs. H.] begged to
investigate this, states in a message on 5-22-2000 that his partner
is  Rabbi Yosef of Beth Torah. Then in a message on 6-5-2000, he speaks
of  Rabbi Yosef of Beth Torah in Allentown, Pa. I am willing to bet, if
James Trimm was looking for someone to takeover Rabbi Yosef and the
forums, that he has found someone that can actually be traced to
Allentown, Pa. and is the one sending the Parasha's. Prior to this, no
one knew of his location and was a mystery. Now all the sudden he has a
location.