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Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 00:53:41 -0500
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Shalom b'YHWH
I have registered at this forum (nazarene) twice and was accepted twice.
Each time I posted the following post, and each time it was not posted.
It is in response to some demands made at the forum asking for proof.
Here it is.
I spent three days tracking down these e-mails. I do not
have everyones
e-mail address, no matter what I tried. Though this forum does not post
the e-mails, I was able to obtain about a dozen from the posts
themselves. Periodically when there are multiple quotes, the e-mail
posts in entirety. Some were in the page sources from the earliest days,
before they were not showing the origination e-mail. Some were easy,
being the e-mails of ministries. Jacks I remember from a post at
Eliyahs, mentioning he was a historian. Three I found at guestbooks from
sites linked from SANJ. Some were from other forums. Some I found from
net searches, like Adam J. Bernay's. By the way, the links dont work on
your site. The rest, I spent a multitude of hours checking all the
search engines and domain sites and e-mail searches. A few I guessed at,
if I couldnt find them anywhere, @a... aol.com, @y...yahoo.com,
@j...juno.com, @h...hotmail.com, @c...compuserve.com. One was tricky. I
found a full address of cord.edna, at the forum, from a multiple quote,
the server was @ns.sympatico.ca. Then in looking up mcmulleng@n....by
the first initial g and the last name of mcmullen, it showed one
@nb.sympatico.ca and one @ns.sympatico.ca. You may get two. In mailing
this list, I had to break it up to two mailings. The point of all this
trouble is about the truth. As believers in YHWH, we are called to walk
uprightly before Him, to speak truth. It is one of the 10 mitswoth given
to Mosheh and cannot be gotten around, ignored or find any loopholes to
bypass it.
Post
I dont know about y'all at this forum, but I value truth
and honesty
to be matters of righteousness. I have been reading through these posts
and I have several questions.
First, I'd like to know if anyone else has noticed that
James Trimm
did not answer the question directly posed by [Mrs. H.],
as to whether or not he was Rabbi Yosef. I saw him sidestep, but not
answer yes or no.
On post 39774, titled for the record, on 7-1-2000, he states,
"I do
NOT advocate Mormonism or the Book of Mormon." Yet he does not answer
the question of whether or not he is Rabbi Yosef, yet he claims to be
setting the record straight. I will get back to this in a minute.
Next [Mrs. H.] pleaded for someone at the Nazarene Beit
Din to
look at the evidence and if they determined that the BoM was not worth
looking into, then to clean their own house, since she is being
accused of certain opinions, yet Rabbi Yosef voices these opinions,
and if James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef, then he needs to be treated as
such, if that is the halakah of the Beit Din. If they accept Trimm/Yosef
saying this, then they need to get off of [Mrs. H.] for the same views. I
have not seen any response from the Beit Din here addressing this
matter.
Now, to Adam Bernay, you wrote to [Mrs. H.] , when she posted
a
conversation between Rabbi Yosef asking her husband to take over the
forum and be Rabbi Yosef, that "any noodnick with a computer" could
write that, that it had no routing information. I am glad that you
are a little familiar with routing information. You demanded, quite
rudely I might add, that she "prove this accusation or else *SHUT YOUR
MOUTH*. You then went on to say that she "sounded like an ignoramous
that no one should listen to." That you "respected Dr. Trimm for his
scholarship and wisdom." I ask you Adam Bernay to think of this as you
further read what I post.
The problem with this situation is a matter of proof, is
it not? I do
not know [Mrs. H.], nor do I know Rabbi Yosef. I have not even
read the Book of Mormon. But my curiosity began when I heard a plea from
a woman begging for an investigation to prove the truth. That to me
sounded like something to look into, so I did. Remember I said earlier,
that I value truth and honesty as righteousness. That is the
reason that I spent hours pouring over this and several other forums
related here. Here, Adam Bernay and any other person that wanted
proof is the proof.
All e-mails have DNS numbers attached to them. You cant
see them on
your received e-mails, unless you select view and set it for -show
ALL headers. Then you will be able to see the DNS numbers. A DNS number
is a Domain Name Server number. It consists of 4 groups of numbers
separated by dots, for example 123.456.78.90. Each one of you has one.
If you send e-mails from different locations, then you might
have several. The point is, at each of these posts, you have a view
source tab. If you click on that, you will see the page source for the
post. In the case of this nazarene forum and any other originating with
nazarene.net, you will see 207.159.141.183, or 216.62.113.210 is
another nazarene number I found. The first two groups of numbers are
the important ones. The first group of numbers lists your master name
server, or root domain. That number is assigned by the Internet Assigned
Numbers Authority - IANA. The second group lists the Primary server and
then the secondary server. The two following groups are random, as your
server tries to locate the next closest, direct path in the destination.
The last number is your host number. I can send myself 10 e-mails and
the last two goups of numbers will vary, some of them repeating. All
emails on this forum are sent to Nazarene.net and then get routed here.
That is why you will see the same number for every person. If a person
sends an e-mail to a mail account, such as hotmail, they list the
hotmail numbers and then list the originating numbers. It is the first
two groups of numbers that determine origin. This system works much
like addressing an envelope for mail. It is sent from the largest
source, being your state, to the next largest, your city, then your zip
code, then your address and finally your name. A similar principle
applies with DNS numbers. If you have an address resolving program you
can search the strings.
Ah, but nazarene.net doesnt control all the forums. That
is where the
evidence comes in. The following is a list of each forum I checked
and what I found between James Trimm, Rabbi Yosef ben Yehudah and
guess what, another name - Yosef Liahona. Now that one caught my eye
since in doing a web search for Rabbi Yosef, I came across a Mormon web
site that had a quote from an e-mail that he sent them. It was about
the semetics of the word- liahona. After reading that and finding the
other forums, I decided to check that name out too, when I saw it. He
crops up, just as Rabbi Yosef is leaving. Pay attention to the dates and
go to view source to confirm what I am writing.
egroups -bom-messianic
James Trimm
12-7-99 151.164.30.25
Yosef benYehudah
last time posted
11-5-99 hotmail 209.185.240.29
origin 151.164.44.9
Yosef Liahona
first time posted
11-16-99 hotmail 209-185-241-42
origin 151.164.46.17
egroups m-kabbalah
James Trimm
12-22-99 151-164-30-26
Yosef benYehudah
last time posted
10-15-99 hotmail 209-185-241-173
origin 151.164.43.33
egroups bom-archaeology
James Trimm
4-14-2000 151.164.30.26
Yosef benYehudah
last time posted
11-9-99 hotmail 209.185.241.133
origin 151.164.42.22
egroups chofjclist
James Trimm
12-4-99 151-164-30-25
Yosef benYehudah
10-26-99 hotmail 209.185.241.145
origin 151-164-45-50
Yosef Liahona
12-4-99 hotmail 209.185.241.97
origin 151.164.42.198
So of the four forums that are not controlled by nazarene.net,
and
you can view the origins, I have just now proven, which any noodnick
with a computer, a DNS program, and some time could have done. Rabbi
Yosef ben Yehudah disappears from these forums in 11-1999, at which
point Yosef Liahona appears, quoting from the same sources, which are
the Book of Mormon. James Trimm is Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahona up to
the fall of 1999. James Trimm goes through a hotmail account to post for
these two names. Now if he posts under other names, I did not check. I
was concerned more with the focus of Rabbi Yosef.
Now, these proofs have been presented. [Mrs. H.] is not
a liar,
she did not slander. James Trimm avoided answering but by sidestepping
and saying that he does not advocate the BoM or Mormonism, yet he has
written, advocated them as Rabbi Yosef and Yosef Liahon.
I believe an apology is due [Mrs. H.], especially from James
Trimm, the Beit Din, and Adam Bernay. And if this is not enough
evidence, I am compiling more, not from the forum.
I tried to post this post on 7-1-2000, and it was not allowed
to go
through. I have since then sent it and the printed out pages that I
sited here, to the members of the Beit Din and the Friends of the Court,
on 7-3-2000, since they were trying [Mrs. H.] and her husband, in this
matter. The next morning, 7-4-2000, I received an e-mail from James
Trimm admitting that he was Rabbi Yosef and participated at numerous
forums, including Mormon, Branch Davidian and Muslim, under various
names. Also, the egroup lists of bom-messianic, bom-archaeology,
jewishbom and m-kabbalah, which were started by James Trimm as Rabbi
Yosef, have had their archives deleted. The only one that James Trimm
could not delete was egroup chofjclist, since he does not own or
moderate it. If you would like a copy of the pages sited above, showing
the view source and the DNS numbers, as well as the forward of James
Trimm’s letter to me, then e-mail me and I will send it. You deserve to
know the truth. Shalom, Kathryn purnhrt@flash.net
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