Subject: Re: SEEKING RECONCILIATION
Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:07:50 -0600
From: Michael Detwiler <firstname.lastname@example.org>
To: purnhrt <email@example.com>
CC: firstname.lastname@example.org, email@example.com, firstname.lastname@example.org
My comments inserted:
>James Trimm, do you take me for a fool that cannot read? I can see quite
>that this is just like the apology to Pete Vacca. You are not apologizing for
>calling me a hardcore anti-semite and that the the statement is not true.
>have done, in wording this very carefully, is to apologize for calling me a
>hardcore anti-semite, for out of anger committing lashon hara. THere is a
>difference due to your teachings about lashon hara.
>In your first post to your forum, on lashon hara, you wrote, " Many people make
>the mistake of thinking that the prohibition of lashon hara - negative
>speech - is
>limited only to saying falsity and untruth.
>But this is not so. Lying falls under a separate prohibition, expressed in
>20:13, 23:7. Lashon hara is the prohibition against saying anything
>derogatory about another person - even when it's true! Often, lashon hara will
>couch itself in a cloak of rationalizations.
>It doesn't even matter whether the words are spoken implicitly or implied.
>message can be construed negatively, then it is a violation of lashon hara. Be
>aware of potential lashon hara situations and stop them before they start."
>You make yourself quite clear that the lashon hara can be true, but that to
>that truth negatively or in a derogatory manner, is lashon hara. You stated you
>did this in anger and ask for forgiveness for the lashon hara. You didnt state
>that it was not true.
Kathryn. James apologized to you. He has no hidden meaning or inferences.
>I am not, nor have I ever been an anti-semite of ANY degree. Your statement was
>not only lashon hara, it was an outright lie. You are guilty of lashon hara, of
>lying and slandering. And not just on that one point, but on all the others
>sent to Michael Detwiler, when he requested the information. And not only
>me, but against the H's as well.
The Beit Din will not debate the [H's] issue with you. You are a third party, not directly involved,
you have taken up the offense of others, and you do not know the entire situation. The decision has been
made regarding the [H's]. You cannot affect a reversal of that decision.
>I told you before what my demands were and I will tell you again; I want a full
>apology and complete retraction of ALL the lies and slander spoken against me,
>posted to the forum and to all your lists. I want an apology, due the
>a dropping of the unjust ruling against them, made by the Beit Din. You do not
>seem to understand the seriousness of this situation.
You will never receive this, as it doesn't involve you. I suggest that you drop this issue. The lashon hara
thing is another matter.
Shalom (from my end)